I have noticed that when I take part in a battle I usually turn the selected song to some thing completely else. Happened in Battle #83. I could have used any sample – of any sound…
God or bad? Its up to the listener… But its wrong. I think you agree. Same when I have played with my tape loops. I could have used any sample – of any sound…

Mayby my shit is to put together silly songs?
Like this, that explains what I’m thinking…
http://soundcloud.com/gis_sweden/stop-denying-my-self

Next time I take part in a battle I will try to do more of a “remix”. Preserving the original song. Promise

why is it wrong?

I understand what he is saying...it's like when you sample you choose the sample b/c you were moved by it...then when you go with a microchopping and mangling approach you wind up with something that is different - getting away from the essence of the sample which is the reason you chose it...I think you need to find a middle ground where you flip the sample into something that is your own yet still retain the vibe/emotion etc whatever it was about the sample that made you pick it...but don't do "remix" joints...looping is lazy...just get into chopping diff parts of songs and layering them..you'll find that you get new loops and arrangements that keep the vibe of the sample alive

Yeah I get what he means.. i usually prefer listening to microsampled glitchiness to some old whiney dog on a 70s record though

yea def depends on taste...if you like the glitchy sound then yea but like gis sweden said in that case you could just use some synths and efx processors to get your sounds and not need to bother with sampling...seriously tho cartesia you need to find some better 70's records!~

As Gis said- He could have made those sounds from any source-and you make dope shit,Gis,don't misunderstand me-but I've said the same thing to myself about some of your battle beats, as well as some other peoples. Sinapse explained it perfect-you choose a sample from a record because of its sound,melody,and emotional feeling. If you're just doing mangled glitchiness that could come from any soundsource, theres really no point to sampling records at all, it pretty much defeats the purpose. 2nd Sinapse's comment on 70's records too. I mean, the late 60's-early to mid 70's is music's best ever era,period....in all genres imo.

Btw Sinapse- sorry I've yet to get back at you in the pm-been mad busy packing and moving the last week,haven't had internet for the last few days,etc...I'll get back at you sometime tomorrow...11

A good discussion here. Thanks! I think we all agree. I summary the SP-forums wisdome.
1) If you like “mangled glitchiness” maybe some other tool than SP-404 is better and you don’t need to spend time looking fore nice samples. You can use any sample…
2) “…don't do "remix" joints...looping is lazy”.

So if I don’t want to spend time looking for samples, as I say in the silly song, should I sell my SP-404…? No, not yet… I have a plan… I’m working on a new track.

Thank you for taking your time reading and answering.

just do whatever feels right and build on it. there is no right formula or correct way to do this stuff. there will always be fans and always be haters (as well as indifferent people) of anything you make . the few things i have shared on here have gotten mixed reviews. one person said it reminded them of old dj shadow (which had me stoked) and the other person said that he wished i would have chopped and pushed the samples further. i have the mentality of your original post about preserving the original feeling of the sample. i should probably push further but when i hear a slice in a song i am already putting drums to it in my head. already hearing the loop points. i dont use found drum loops i usually make my own so its not like you have to find 3 loops and paste them together and be done with it. remixing isnt necessarily the path for me but using samples a fraction of a second long isnt my flavor either.


edit: just realized most of what i said was spread across several peoples posts. i skimmed the thread and then posted. then reread.

To continue this thread. Step two in figuring out how to use my SP-404… A new silly song. The “vocals” is recorded from a real telephone placed over the internal mic of the 404

And yes you have to do what you feel is right. At least the out put of a SP-machine cant hurt anybody.

http://soundcloud.com/gis_sweden/the-gate

Newer stop playing!

I've been lurking on this thread since you started it Gis, interesting track you've posted in response. Were you being honest to your interests or working towards the tastes of other forum members?

Either way there's no right or wrong answer or hidden meanings to that question.

Apologies, but away from the battles (when you've posted really experimental stuff) I haven't heard any of your tracks. So this one sounds like a big step for you.

Don't sell off your SP! Coupled with other gear its a great way of making old sounds new. Besides, sampling your own recordings is a great way to build songs. As you said- never stop playing!

I think we all sometimes skip, at least parts, of tracks...

Now I'm waiting for some new lyrics to pop up in my head => a new "silly song"

Right now in reading Heinlein "Tunnel in the sky". It led to "The Gate"