Dual SPs ?

Teewok · Post by **Teewok** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:37 am

Ok so the question I'm about to ask has probably been asked a million times but I'm too lazy to search thru posts...

I have a 606... I love it to death... but the polyphony is a piece of shit (8 voices)...

So I'm thinking....if I add an sp404 (12 voices) to my setup.... Does that mean I get 20 voices using the 606 as a master and the 404 as a slave? Or is it more complicated than that? I just need that answered plz. Your help is appreciated!

drewzle · Post by **drewzle** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:25 am

Teewok wrote:Does that mean I get 20 voices using the 606 as a master and the 404 as a slave? Or is it more complicated than that? I just need that answered plz. Your help is appreciated!

it sure does, sounds like a sick set-up

check the 404 forum for the dual SP threads, they are both recent

Les Braun · Post by **Les Braun** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:33 pm

I don't get this. What's polyphony?

eldwarfo · Post by **eldwarfo** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:33 pm

Polyphony is the maximum number of notes that can be played simultaneously (e.g. on the 404, you can have 12 mono samples all trigger at the same time at the start of a bar, if you want).

Poly = many
Phonic = pertaining to sound

Click here, then click "Polyphony (instrument)" at the top for more info

iG9 · Post by **iG9** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:47 pm

I don't think the 404 has 12 note polyphony... When resampling you're down to at most 4... Am I wrong? Too lazy to look...

eldwarfo · Post by **eldwarfo** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:46 pm

The 404 has 12 note polyphony if all the samples are mono. If stereo, it drops to 6.

iG9 · Post by **iG9** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:10 am

Ah, nice. I'm surprised, that's pretty good...

JayLost · Post by **JayLost** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:15 am

eldwarfo wrote:Polyphony is the maximum number of notes that can be played simultaneously (e.g. on the 404, you can have 12 mono samples all trigger at the same time at the start of a bar, if you want).

Poly = many
Phonic = pertaining to sound

Click here, then click "Polyphony (instrument)" at the top for more info

but yo theres a problem with this....say you did play all those voices at the same time.....how long before they all drift????

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:58 am

maybe you could sync two patterns one on each machines... im not sure if pattern syncing is possible but i think it could be

Teewok · Post by **Teewok** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:21 am

... and yo... how does the saving work? if i made a backup save on my 606 and then i loaded it up...would it also load up the samples i had in my 404 onto the 404 aswell? (im guessing no)... or would i need to make 2 backup saves (one on each machine) ?

who in here uses 2 sps anyway?

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:29 am

as far as exchanging samples between sp's i know the 404 cards dont work with the 555 because i wanted to give my friend some samples to mess with in a jam but it wouldn't let him use the card until he reformatted it.
so youll need to convert it on your pc or record the output.

the only person i know who uses 2 sp's is panda bear.

Nothingless1987 · Post by **Nothingless1987** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:47 am

my 404 has just arrived!! brap brap :wink:

my plan is to hook it up with my 1k alongside the 202, 202 will now jus be for extra poly more than anything else, even though it's only 4 voice!!

happy to be part of the club. roll on home time, gonna be a long weekend!!

eldwarfo · Post by **eldwarfo** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:30 pm

JayLost wrote:but yo theres a problem with this....say you did play all those voices at the same time.....how long before they all drift????

On a single device, it shouldn't be a problem because they'd all be triggered at the same time.

On multiple devices, so long as you have them synched to the clock of one device it shouldn't be an issue (e.g. MIDI OUT from MPC1000 to MIDI IN on the 404 would prevent drift because they'd be working at the same tempo).

When making a track at 85bpm on the MPC, for example, even though you might notice the tempo shift a little on the 404's display (maybe by 1-2bpm), it would still stay in time because the MPC's sequencer is controlling it.

That's my understanding of it anyway, and it's why I'm planning to sync two samplers and a synth to my RM1X - so everything stays nice and tight.

Teewok · Post by **Teewok** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:46 pm

how the hell else can I increase the voice count from 8 in my productions. .. can a sound module do this?... any hardware that specifically adds polyphony to the sp or will i forever be stuck with 8 voices

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:00 am

1. polyphony can NOT be changed. 2. YO ig9, the reason that you only get four (actually, i thought it was three) voices when resampling is cuz roland said so, lame but whatever. 3. lot's of people use two sp's. 4. I've made songs that had patterns ｓync'ed via the 404's internal pattern sequencer; this is really good for making do with limited polyphony, but you need to cut the loops short and have them as one shots; you'll need to quantize. it is do-able but takes work.

oh shit edit; 5. the 303 and 505 can read cards from either (at least the pads, don't know about patterns). which is another lame for roland that they didn7t make the 404 and 555 compatible.

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