easy question by me...

wingzz · Post by **wingzz** » Mon May 26, 2008 8:59 pm

that a sample loop must have a 4.4 or 2.2 ? coz when i have 15 sec sample loop and trying to record a timing going crazy... peace!

balazs · Post by **balazs** » Mon May 26, 2008 9:42 pm

not sure what your saying

wingzz · Post by **wingzz** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:13 pm

yea sorry im not too good in eng. alredy i have done with this problem.

mayby someone know how sp 404 works with a casio keyboard? its keyboard with a midi gate.. can i make drum loop on sp and ad piano from casio?

thx peace

wingzz · Post by **wingzz** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:58 pm

and im green in this but how producers are using samples with drums in it? making loops? or making chops in kick/snare hits? i dont have idea...

iG9 · Post by **iG9** » Tue May 27, 2008 6:36 am

Euclid Ov Oåklånd · Post by **Euclid Ov Oåklånd** » Tue May 27, 2008 7:05 am

You can do your drums anyway you want.

wingzz · Post by **wingzz** » Tue May 27, 2008 12:47 pm

i mean that when i have a sample in vinyl and it alredy have drums on it, how to cut it and make nice with my drum loop...

Euclid Ov Oåklånd · Post by **Euclid Ov Oåklånd** » Tue May 27, 2008 7:23 pm

If the song structure is 4/4 then you can count the drum hits starting at the beginning of a measure. So the drums in your sample will be something like
Kick....Snare....Kick....Snare, that's one measure.
1 2 3 4
Now just put the loop in the sequencer and match the tempo to the sample tempo and put your drum sounds just like above, with the kicks on the 1st and 3rd and snares on 2nd and 4th.

wingzz · Post by **wingzz** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:16 pm

yea. thanks alot. but, "4" lenght in sp 404 have 10 sec, and when i have a 11 sec loop and tryin to record that going crazy.. and.. how do chop with a sample drum loop alredy layered.. peace

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Wed May 28, 2008 12:09 am

you try the slicer trick. just resample with slicer on and then rechop from there.

balazs · Post by **balazs** » Wed May 28, 2008 12:56 am

wingzz wrote:yea. thanks alot. but, "4" lenght in sp 404 have 10 sec, and when i have a 11 sec loop and tryin to record that going crazy.. and.. how do chop with a sample drum loop alredy layered.. peace

I'm not sure if I know what your saying but it sounds like you may have to adjust the bpm.

also there are many different ways to handle a sample with drums allready in it. You just gotta put in some time and see what works best.

PHeMoX · Post by **PHeMoX** » Wed May 28, 2008 1:11 pm

As a general rule of thumb I usually put in looping samples first and then adjust the BPM so it fits... then later add extra drums or whatever.

Sometimes it's better to chop the looping part into smaller pieces if it doesn't quite work out with the amount of measures in the end. It's difficult to get a looping sample that's exactly 4 measures for example... it's not impossible, but it takes time, a good sample and perhaps time-stretching and bpm-syncing.

Euclid Ov Oåklånd · Thu May 29, 2008 12:29 am

Like Juxt said, there are more ways to flip a sample with drums already in it than time to write it.

PHeMoX · Post by **PHeMoX** » Thu May 29, 2008 1:03 am

Yeah, I must admit that you are totally right. Just today I've seen someone chop up a sample that had double kicks in the middle on a couple of samples that he chopped up (on a MPC using regular intervals/lengths obviously) and with some juggling and timing he was able to use those kicks to his advantage in a new kind of drum way.

Pretty interesting and inspiring stuff, but that's what creativity is about I guess.