sidechain

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:52 pm

i only know how to side chain in ableton so try to translate it if you use cubase or whatever

if you dont know what sidechaining is here is a video

(http://downloads.ableton.com/movies/com ... aining.mov)

i think i may have read someone mention it but

have you ever sidechained your kicks via pattern sequencer midi?
after building the patterns to turn down the volume on the kicks when you record. then in a drum rack or impulse have your input to the sidechain compressor, which is on the rest of the track, be the midi input coming to a kick on your second midi only track.

i also read this is something like what madlib's engineer does for the pumping sound except i think he just manually places the kicks one by one

ellaguru · Post by **ellaguru** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:41 pm

interesting thang man. thanx
sometimes i use to put togheter different kicks in one, maybe this is a primitive version of what you tell us with this post.
cheers

ellaguru · Post by **ellaguru** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:24 am

do you know this works with ableton live 6? i found 2 compressor fx, one with the sidechain parameter set to EQ.
maybe we can do it without this ableton fx.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:32 am

im doing it in live 7 but im not sure if its in live 6. when you click sidechain you have to select the input of the drum that is affecting the signal you are compressing.
you can do the same thing in fruityloops with the peak controller, and im pretty sure some compressor pedals have the ability.

ellaguru · Post by **ellaguru** » Thu May 14, 2009 2:10 am

i think that this is only avaliable in live 7. however i discover an interesting plugin called sidekick. it's free and you cas use it for the same thing.

JayLost · Post by **JayLost** » Thu May 14, 2009 2:16 am

yeah and with the volume down on that kick and sidechain enabled it created like a vacume effect on that channel

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Thu May 14, 2009 2:40 am

also try having the compressor on the send channel and turn up the corresponding knob on each channel you want vacuumed except the drum track. then go to each of those channels and select "sends only" instead of "master" in the output tab.

some serious mixing can be done that way.

ellaguru · Post by **ellaguru** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:34 am

however i discover an interesting plugin called sidekick. it's free and you cas use it for the same thing.

...s**t, is not free...this is sidekick version 4.1, but i know that a version 3 exists and it was free. if someone got it could please upload it to the forum? thanx

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:54 pm

http://sonictransfer.com/sss-side-chain ... dows.shtml

try that or kvr-plugins

ellaguru · Post by **ellaguru** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:55 pm

i will, thanx.
but at first view it seems not simple as sidechain from ableton.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:12 pm

same principle should apply, you need one thing being affected (the song w/o the kick) then the sidechain (the kick on separate channel). what program are you trying this in?

ellaguru · Post by **ellaguru** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:26 pm

ableton live 6.
but i'm not too much into it. i used this program just to record and bounce trax.

but any advice is ok.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:58 pm

maybe check this video i found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgDwU0d9_0

your compressor im guessing wants left+right inputs for the input and sidechain functions

so take your recorded track for you sp in one track
and pan it to the left, then in the output section of the track click "sends only"

put the compressor on a return channel A or something, then turn up the send on the track with your song. so now the audio is now running through one track and into another track where the compressor is ONLY on the left side.

then make another track with either recorded midi data from your pattern sequencer (if you recorded the audio and midi at the same time)
or a new impulse track with the same kick recorded over the track you first recorded following the kicks the best you can.
then pan the impulse channel to the right and turn up the send knob a. set the output to sends only

if you have ever used a vocoder its basically the same setup process. it sounds complicated but its not, and the results are well worth it

ellaguru · Post by **ellaguru** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:01 am

thanx.
i used a vocoder but with a recorder (external fx), but i think i know what you mean.
i will look the video anyway.
peace

ellaguru · Post by **ellaguru** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:52 am

this video is really simple and helpful.
now i know better.
peace