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[wingzz]

sry for making this shit topics in forum but im newbie in this.

im trying to make beat, nothing special but beat what my friend can make rapline vocal.

i know that quantize can help to make a drum loop [ big thx Drewzle. ]
next i know how to use a makr button and cut partitions of a sample. but...
i making a drum loop and trying to make a sample line to this and this sound like shit, im traing to do this with... a orhestra sample line [withut percusion]
and some jazz lines. drum loop sounds ok but a drum + sample sounds horrible. i saw some films with 404 on thw youtube how to make beat and in mpc it works easy, but on sp i have some problems. up thx for post.
sry for my crap eng and for littering this section.

[balazs]

there is no machine thats automatically gonna combine your sample and drums to be on point.

This is the kind of thing takes practice. just a few suggestions: chop, play chopps in time, readjust bpm. If you really have trouble I would suggest giving up and moving to something else for now.

[PHeMoX]

Well, as I'm going through the same phase of learning how to successfully make a beat... I can tell you that some samples won't ever fit to a certain kind of drum sounds (or rhythm) even if they sound great when you hear them separately of eachother. I'm guessing that's your problem, but if it's getting the quantize right.. it's still basically the same story.

It's the same with making a painting or drawing... you can have two colors that look fine individually, but will ruin the painting's color scheme when mixed together.... same with music.

Now you're probably wondering how to 'fix' this problem. Truth is... you can't. At least not with the same samples and sounds, you will need to find samples or drums that fit together. Figuring out what fits and what doesn't fit is largely a matter of trial and error.

So ... I'd say stick with it, try to find matching music and go make those beats!!

Remember, without making mistakes you won't ever learn anything. I'd suggest to go on and just go through the processes of trial and error.

[bishojo_command]

the easier way to do what you want is by something like acid (or similar) - but it won't fix everything. It will help stretch or squash samples to fit with each other and bring them to an approximate time.

the 404 is the anti-Acid

but you can use the two in combination. What the devil joins together let no man cut assunder.

Your patterns are probably clashing with the rhythms - and speed - of your orchestral and jazz lines. They might be happily starting together on the "1" but part company long before the "2".. and so on. Some jazz lines can be all over the place and folk mistake the drum beats as the time measure when it's actually the hi-hats keeping time.


Many wanna be jazz players would come to grief in jams stepping up to the drums to find them go crazy halfway thru a bar - some drummers would raise a hand and make a muppet mouth opening and closing - showing the hi-hats were the thing to swing to.

Best to try chop up your melody samples into smaller pieces - and lay them on the main beats and see if you can get some satisfaction moving them around - probably have to change your bpm or look at some form of timestretching still. It's not just going to magically fall together in the box - and if it did you would be bored after 20 mins anyway.

Also best to raid the beat-battles back catalogue - check The Arena -and see what others have done entirely in the box - to do the same as you are trying.

[wingzz]

yeah thanks for all. i have some progress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RWq5rbIEvg

in this beat movie dude cut samples with slice in mpc, he can play on the samples like on drums, how i can do it on sp? i need to cut the saple in very small parts and take [GATE] on? i dont have any idea... trying all and crap.

bless for ya

[vivi pedraglio]

look this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgy3oDnQhz0

the roland mv-8000!!!!

[wingzz]

yep nice, but i got only sp 404

[wingzz]

i think the problem is in pads.. can do that when i play some pad and hit next the first pad stop playing and the next starts?
coz i need w8 when first pad stops playin and catch the moment when stop, and hit pad 2.

sry for my eng i hope u falla me

[Huph]

Oh, I think you're talking about the MPC's ability to have samples mute themselves while another specific pad plays. The 404 doesn't have an innate ability to do this, but there are some ways around it. Unfortunately, they're a little complicated if you're just starting with the sampler, so we probably shouldn't get into all that yet.

I also wanted to point out something about sampling jazz and classical music. A lot of times, especially in classical music, the melody and music doesn't follow a set BPM per measure. A song may always have 4 beats per measure, but the space between the beats can change, even within the same measure of a melody. It's all in how the conductor conducts. This can make it really hard to set some classic strings against a beat. It can take quite a bit of manipulation to make it fit.

If you ever listen to Strauss' interpretations of Mozart's work, you can hear how different classical music set to a concrete BPM sounds ("Quantized" as it were). It's somewhat strange. Most Midi versions of classical songs have the same perfect rhythm, which actually makes the pieces sound stilted and lifeless.

[wingzz]

big thx

can u say more abaut

"The 404 doesn't have an innate ability to do this, but there are some ways around it"

i have problem with chop samples for small partitions and make a good sample line in my beats

[PHeMoX]

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but ...

look this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgy3oDnQhz0

the roland mv-8000!!!!

Hey vivi, you have a mv-8000 right? Can you tell me the most significant differences between the mv-8000 and mv-8800?

I can buy a MV-8800 for 1200€ (around 1900$). Would you advice me to buy the mv-8000 or the mv-8800?

Regards,

[PHeMoX]

( double post )

[Euclid Ov Oåklånd]

the easier way to do what you want is by something like acid.

Sentences can be funny out of context. a la Bill O'Reilly in the no spin zone.

[wingzz]

i got nice drum loop and adding some a piano/guitar/trumphet or sthg its ok...
but i cant do the sampled beat.. help i trying choop it in many ways but still crap when 1 pad stop playin and i hit other the sound is bad.

[wingzz]

i got nice drum loop and adding some a piano/guitar/trumphet or sthg its ok...
but i cant do the sampled beat.. help i trying choop it in many ways but still crap when 1 pad stop playin and i hit other the sound is bad.