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 Post subject: Sp users with Machinedrum Uw,,Hip hop ???????
PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:33 pm 
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Hi I am thinking about getting a MDUW. I know some cats on here have them from the pics of your cribs thread. Here is the text from a post I made on the Elektron forum. Wanted to post it here, because I wanted some feedback from like minded peeps.
Hi there, so does anybody out there make sampled hip hop beats on the machine drum. How do you go about chopping your samples? I have seen the real time sequencing mode on the MD and I am wondering with the rom machines if you would be able to have your different samples on the sequencer buttons and play them out in real time. Also could you import a loop and copy it to different buttons with different start and end points to chop. Would pre-chopping in the computer and loading up your samples be a better idea. Thanks for listening, if anyone has any videos or audio of this kind of music on an MD that would be awesome. Thanks!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:55 pm 
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Hey Bridge, there was a time when I also thought about getting mduw for my hiphops ( ended up buying some other ish ), so I asked few questions to Reignbear about that.

Once again much respect for answering me in such complex way Reign, you can always count on me!

I thinks its some bigger knowledge that everyone should be aware of so let me paste those PM here:

Those were my questions:

1. could you do 1 minute long video with a beat like 80bpm with some primo style flavour ( not sure if you do such things but you know, some classic hip hop track with some mutes drops )?
2. is there a possibility to record samples in sequence slightly off beat/real time recording?
3. time strech-pitch shift?
4. song mode?( lets say you create like 12 sequences - like in sp404 - and then join them with such song mode - cuz what I see on yt is guys manipulating one 2bar sequence all the time with no change ups - dont tell me its the maximum of possibilites :D )
5.whats the difference between uw mk1 and mk2?
6. should I get it instead of mpc haha

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Here we go...first thing if this was two weeks ago i would have said that's a great price for a MDUW MK1, but after the announcement of the +drive and the MDUW MKII+, I don't know how the used market for the non+ MDUWs will react.

1. i'll see if I can whip something up this weekend. I think I know what you mean by mute drops, but clarification would be helpful. in the mean time here are a couple quick and rough sample based beats.[url]http://www.kissingteeth.com/music/terminal.mp3
[/url]<--this one is just a one pattern "jam" muting and unmuting tracks on the fly.

http://www.kissingteeth.com/music/sleep ... unrise.mp3<--this one is sequenced out in the song mode which I'll try and explain a bit more below

2. you can't record things in realtime un-quantized, however, there are a lot of tricks that will let you push things around to get them off of the grid. one way to do this is you can program which steps swing and which ones don't for every track and then you can set the master swing amount. for example you could turn the swing off on all tracks except the one with your snares and make sure that each step that you trigger a snare swings and then set the swing amount above 50% you can start to push them behind the beat.
there are other tricks to like if you are using samples leave a bit of silence at the start and then adjust the start point (you could even set a LFO to this so that each time the sample triggers it leaves a different amount of space at the start). there are some more tricks and ways to really get your patterns moving, but I don't want to overwhelm you right now.


3. no real time stretching or pitch shifting, but similar effects could be achieved through clever use of the LFOs, but it would be hard to be accurate and most likely more trouble than it's worth. you can speed up samples and then slow them down, this is what I do with all of my longer samples, I either samples them at 45rpm +8% or double their speed on the computer. saves space and adds a bit more grit.


4. song mode, the sleeping sunrise track above is my first time messing with song mode and it's dope. you can sequence out your patterns, loop them, change the tempo, program mutes and even chop up your patterns like samples it's really powerful and flexible once you dig into it.


5. the differences between the MKI and MKII off the top of my head are MKII is smaller has a better power supply/adapter (more "universal" whatever that means) more ROM slots for samples (10 or so) 2.5MB of sample memory instead of 2MB, 4 bar patterns vs 2 (this is really useful for doubling the resolution of the sequencer) better signal to noise ratio and 4 RAM record and playback machines vs 2.

6. It's a tough call to say if you should get this over an MPC, I love it and find the workflow, interface and possibilities to be way way way more inspiring. I feel that I can make stuff that I'm stoked on in minutes on the machine drum that would have taken a looong time on an MPC. that being said there are things that a MPC is going to be better at- more sample time, unquantized recording and velocity sensitive pads. also the MPC is better if you just want to chop some samples up and bang them out in sequence. the MDUW is better if you want to really get into programing and freaking your sounds aside from the sampling it's also a world class drum machine/synthesizer and you can morph the drum sounds into all kinds of different stuff, i've heard dope synth leads, bass, wobble bass, pads, textural stuff, violin like sounds, crazy sound efx and tons more. also the effects in the machine drum are great and the fact that you can sequence the parameters of the efx is rad. the LFOs and parameter locks just give you and insane amount of control and options over your sequences and sounds.


I know its not perfect answer for your post Bridge, but I dont know much other than ^that :)

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 Post subject: Re: Sp users with Machinedrum Uw,,Hip hop ???????
PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:10 pm 
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Wow thanks for that big time elhuana and Reignbear. First off the example beats are crazy, big props to Reignbear. The beats themselves basically answer my questions. Would be great to see that video. Reign if you see this, I'm still curious about methods for chopping and playing back samples. Thanks again!

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 Post subject: Re: Sp users with Machinedrum Uw,,Hip hop ???????
PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:54 pm 
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Oh ya, elhuana. What did you end up getting instead of the MD?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:15 pm 
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I'm sill down to try and make the video. and answer any other questions in further detail. I freaking love it for sampling as you can tell from my reply to elhuana. I'm really busy right now so I'll try and answer stuff piece by piece as i get the time. :mrgreen:


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word up RB i know what you mean by loving your machine :)

Bridge, I end up getting mp 1k, but for fuck sake it's the second one which turned out to be faulty, and after I give it back, I will start considering getting back to some software (+ sp + synth(blofeld?))

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:42 pm 
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elhuana wrote:
word up RB i know what you mean by loving your machine :)

Bridge, I end up getting mp 1k, but for fuck sake it's the second one which turned out to be faulty, and after I give it back, I will start considering getting back to some software (+ sp + synth(blofeld?))


Those mp1k's are known to be dodgy. I just returned a poly evolver that had some problems. Decided to try and get an MD instead of another poly. With my Moog Lp and Microkorg the Poly evolver was overkill anyways. Blofeld looks ok, as far as deep digital synths I am really interested in Absynth for its new morphing features.

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 Post subject: Re: Sp users with Machinedrum Uw,,Hip hop ???????
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:40 pm 
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damn, i'm sorry this has taken me so long to get back. been super busy with school, work and art stuff (and my rapidly growing modular) . if you want you could have 16 different "chops" loaded into the 16 different machines which you could play out live and sequence (quantized of course).

you can also just have one sample on one machine and program the "chops" with the parameter locks. or you can kind of automate them using lfos assigned to the sample start and end points, this is what i tend to do more and is represented with the example tracks above.

another idea that I haven't really gotten to mess with, but i've been toying with in my head would be using between 2-14 machines for individual chops and creating a sequence with them. then using that remaining 2 machines for 1 RAM record and 1 Ram play machines to basically resample your sequence. then switching to another pattern and just loading up the RAM play machine and using that like a sample in itself and then loading up more sounds either sampled or synthesized and layering more on top. you could then just chain the patterns together in song mode. I don't know if this is a very clear idea, but basically it would allow you to constantly resample your sequence and then either flip the resampled version or layer more stuff on top or both.

hope that gives you some more insight. i'm not sure when ill have the time to make a video, but if your still interested i'll keep it on the to-do list.

lastly thanks for the kind words on the beats, I don't really post stuff too often so it's good to get some props from someone who's not my girlfriend.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:24 pm 
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reignbear wrote:
damn, i'm sorry this has taken me so long to get back. been super busy with school, work and art stuff (and my rapidly growing modular) . if you want you could have 16 different "chops" loaded into the 16 different machines which you could play out live and sequence (quantized of course).

you can also just have one sample on one machine and program the "chops" with the parameter locks. or you can kind of automate them using lfos assigned to the sample start and end points, this is what i tend to do more and is represented with the example tracks above.

another idea that I haven't really gotten to mess with, but i've been toying with in my head would be using between 2-14 machines for individual chops and creating a sequence with them. then using that remaining 2 machines for 1 RAM record and 1 Ram play machines to basically resample your sequence. then switching to another pattern and just loading up the RAM play machine and using that like a sample in itself and then loading up more sounds either sampled or synthesized and layering more on top. you could then just chain the patterns together in song mode. I don't know if this is a very clear idea, but basically it would allow you to constantly resample your sequence and then either flip the resampled version or layer more stuff on top or both.

hope that gives you some more insight. i'm not sure when ill have the time to make a video, but if your still interested i'll keep it on the to-do list.

lastly thanks for the kind words on the beats, I don't really post stuff too often so it's good to get some props from someone who's not my girlfriend.


Dope man, I'm tripping trying to get a good deal on a machinedrum, but might just go all out and get that new +drive. Would still love to see a vid as I don't think there is video document of making hip hop on a machinedrum. I feel you on the real life is real busy thing though. I can visualize making a machinedrum beat using your tips, and that beat is dope.

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Hey Bridge/V-F!

reviving an important topic :mrgreen:

It looks like you got yourself a machinedrum UW, really loving the beats on bandcamp. My sp1200 is no longer with me and they've just gotten way too expensive to replace so I'm looking into the machinedrum UW. I am also looking into the mpc3000 but I'm looking to go more experimental than my usual boom bap stuff so I'm thinking of getting away from the whole mpc/sp1200 paradigm. I just don't think I can give up sampling entirely so the machinedrum UW looks interesting. I don't use long samples, nor do I do microscopic chops. I generally just need to be able to edit samples easily and change pitch (sp's sliders were the best for that!) Can you tell me how you like sampling on the MD and how easy it is to edit the start, end, and pitch, and maybe give some insight into some of your personal workflows? Feel free to use MD terminology, I can cross reference with the manual online. Thanks!

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I actually god rid of my MDUW but kind of regret it. The best way to use samples is to load them with the turbo midi. Its cool to parameter lock different starts points to "chop" your samples. Very good for experimental music. Sampling straight into the machine is a pain in the ass though.

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Thanks for the info!

It seems like it's not as immediate as I was hoping. I think I'll look into the mpc3000 for half the price of an sp1200...

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megamaeng wrote:
Thanks for the info!

It seems like it's not as immediate as I was hoping. I think I'll look into the mpc3000 for half the price of an sp1200...


Maybe some lack of immediacy is what you need! I would take an md over any of those relics any day. MPC's are boring, but thats just my opinion. If you get one and it makes you a beat super hero thats all that matters.

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V-F! wrote:
Maybe some lack of immediacy is what you need! I would take an md over any of those relics any day. MPC's are boring, but thats just my opinion. If you get one and it makes you a beat super hero thats all that matters.


Haha I thought that's what I was doing by going from the SP to the mpc...

I'm sure anything is going to be a process since I was so used to the SP. If I don't become a beat super hero though I'm definitely going to blame the mpc :mrgreen:

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Take a look at the Octatrack for sure, it has mad immediacy. Its for live performance and beat programming. I'm deciding between an Octatrack or a Tempest. Choices!

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