Maschine vs MPC1000

[Mr. Davenport]

i'd just get that keyboard mpd with the 8-12 pads or whatever..that shit looks dope,its like an asr and mpc in one.

That's what I'm sayin'. M-Audio Axiom 25

[Sinapse]

axiom swag

thas what my homie says at least lol i don't fuck with it

[dollarllama d]

at the end of the day it doesnt matter what hardware or software u use as long as it sounds good. its basically what sounds u feed ur machine if youre putting bunk sounds in there.

[dollarllama d]

or sampletrak at 16 kHz sampled at 45 rpm then ptched down...or just sampled at 16 regularly then pitched at least 2-3 levels either higher or lower really,sampling at 45 isn't even neccessarry unless u want shit extra grainy..much simpler.ST!

Yeah seriously, there's like 99 ways to get grain into your sound, plugins aren't the answer.

seems weird to me to buy new, high end equipment to obtain older, lo-fi sounds.

+1. Don't fake the funk. I'm not going to lie, I love me some Vinyl Sim and the like but the concept/name kind of seems like pandering. There's countless plugins from low end to high high end (Neve/SSL/Manley) that emulate gear. Man why would I want to emulate something physical that already exists, you're a computer, you should be able to make sounds that are transdimensional. New sound!

All that said, I still think the Maschine is a bastion of things to come as far as beatmaking. If all my gear got destroyed in a tornado/earthquake/zombie attack I think I'd seriously consider the Maschine, but if you've got a way of working already I don't see it offering much more in the way of features or workflow. One to watch though.

Coincidentally it's on sale at a store near me here in the UK today. Hmm...

fakin the funk ??? its just an option everybody cant use an sp 1200 . its way easier to get plugins nowadays and learn it impose to buying a vintage drum machine. either one is dope. old hardware does breakdown and cost to repair and its a mission finding disk for them. but i wouldnt suggest a maschine if u have alot of equipment already.

[EarlGrey]

true that Dollarlama,

But now that you've got Maschine and you work with it. How did it change your workflow? Like how did you generally build beats before and how would u say you create now? I'm talkin bout sequencing, recording fx that sort of stuff.

Because that's whats really concerns me at the moment about makin the move towards maschine.

[KOMSAT]

fakin the funk ??? its just an option everybody cant use an sp 1200 . its way easier to get plugins nowadays and learn it impose to buying a vintage drum machine. either one is dope. old hardware does breakdown and cost to repair and its a mission finding disk for them. but i wouldnt suggest a maschine if u have alot of equipment already.

Yeah I understand that 1200's are a rare breed these days but fetishism of old gear sound is partially what I'm against, at least in reference to "modeling" them in Software. I'm not anti plugins or seeking a particular sound but something just feels superficial to me about using a plugin that instantly transforms your sound. It's kind of like instant Ramen. Sure it's tasty but because of those styrofoam cups I didn't learn how to cook until a couple of years ago. Any given plugin's the same, slap it on and bam stuff sounds nice but what did I learn about how to make my sound nice?

Damn, now I made myself hungry.

[dollarllama d]

fakin the funk ??? its just an option everybody cant use an sp 1200 . its way easier to get plugins nowadays and learn it impose to buying a vintage drum machine. either one is dope. old hardware does breakdown and cost to repair and its a mission finding disk for them. but i wouldnt suggest a maschine if u have alot of equipment already.

Yeah I understand that 1200's are a rare breed these days but fetishism of old gear sound is partially what I'm against, at least in reference to "modeling" them in Software. I'm not anti plugins or seeking a particular sound but something just feels superficial to me about using a plugin that instantly transforms your sound. It's kind of like instant Ramen. Sure it's tasty but because of those styrofoam cups I didn't learn how to cook until a couple of years ago. Any given plugin's the same, slap it on and bam stuff sounds nice but what did I learn about how to make my sound nice?

Damn, now I made myself hungry.

thats one effect it doesnt change ur sound. all is lowering the bit rate. old school gear didnt have options of the bit rate so alot of machines had that metalliac grainy sound. its not like u press one but and bam sound transformation u still got do the same process as u would in the sp 1200. thats like sayin u would never use gps if u need directions instead of using an old school compass which does the same thing.lol honsetly having a sp 12 its not all that. very limited u definitely need other gear with it.

check this out >>> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9834864

[dollarllama d]

true that Dollarlama,

But now that you've got Maschine and you work with it. How did it change your workflow? Like how did you generally build beats before and how would u say you create now? I'm talkin bout sequencing, recording fx that sort of stuff.

Because that's whats really concerns me at the moment about makin the move towards maschine.

on each different hardware or software i try having a different approach. its quicker workflow because gettin actual filter effects on the mpc i would have run samples through the 303 or 404 then chop the sample. and also trackin out the beats on maschine is quicker which never was a fun task on any program.lol i wouldnt say its more complex if u know the mpc alot of the same rules apply. the sequencing was tricky at first because its kinda like ableton with the scenes . u can also resample like the 303 and 404 as well. because i would sequnce on the 303/404 by resampling. recordin live automated efx like filters and delays is easy only thing is automating mutes i dont think they have that yet. i use traktor for glitch efxs or 404 for that. whatever ur comfortable using . i just like switching up my process of approachin beats or it gets boring for me. its different for everyone. also another thing u should have alot of ram on ur comp. i had problems with maschine on my pc but i had reason on there as well. then when i got a mac it worked perfectly.

[EarlGrey]

true that Dollarlama,

But now that you've got Maschine and you work with it. How did it change your workflow? Like how did you generally build beats before and how would u say you create now? I'm talkin bout sequencing, recording fx that sort of stuff.

Because that's whats really concerns me at the moment about makin the move towards maschine.

on each different hardware or software i try having a different approach. its quicker workflow because gettin actual filter effects on the mpc i would have run samples through the 303 or 404 then chop the sample. and also trackin out the beats on maschine is quicker which never was a fun task on any program.lol i wouldnt say its more complex if u know the mpc alot of the same rules apply. the sequencing was tricky at first because its kinda like ableton with the scenes . u can also resample like the 303 and 404 as well. because i would sequnce on the 303/404 by resampling. recordin live automated efx like filters and delays is easy only thing is automating mutes i dont think they have that yet. i use traktor for glitch efxs or 404 for that. whatever ur comfortable using . i just like switching up my process of approachin beats or it gets boring for me. its different for everyone. also another thing u should have alot of ram on ur comp. i had problems with maschine on my pc but i had reason on there as well. then when i got a mac it worked perfectly.

Oh thanks for the insight man. Now I see.. I thought you solely built your earlier beats on the 303/404. But if I'm correct you ran sounds through the SP into the MPC wow. So you basically used the SP as a unit to run your sounds through as an easy way to resample with fx/filters added?

Saw some nice Maschine vids.. still in doubt thought.

[dollarllama d]

true that Dollarlama,

But now that you've got Maschine and you work with it. How did it change your workflow? Like how did you generally build beats before and how would u say you create now? I'm talkin bout sequencing, recording fx that sort of stuff.

Because that's whats really concerns me at the moment about makin the move towards maschine.

on each different hardware or software i try having a different approach. its quicker workflow because gettin actual filter effects on the mpc i would have run samples through the 303 or 404 then chop the sample. and also trackin out the beats on maschine is quicker which never was a fun task on any program.lol i wouldnt say its more complex if u know the mpc alot of the same rules apply. the sequencing was tricky at first because its kinda like ableton with the scenes . u can also resample like the 303 and 404 as well. because i would sequnce on the 303/404 by resampling. recordin live automated efx like filters and delays is easy only thing is automating mutes i dont think they have that yet. i use traktor for glitch efxs or 404 for that. whatever ur comfortable using . i just like switching up my process of approachin beats or it gets boring for me. its different for everyone. also another thing u should have alot of ram on ur comp. i had problems with maschine on my pc but i had reason on there as well. then when i got a mac it worked perfectly.

Oh thanks for the insight man. Now I see.. I thought you solely built your earlier beats on the 303/404. But if I'm correct you ran sounds through the SP into the MPC wow. So you basically used the SP as a unit to run your sounds through as an easy way to resample with fx/filters added?

Saw some nice Maschine vids.. still in doubt thought.

i made beats solely on 303/404 or i combine them with the sp12 or mpc like voltron. its just different options. i had the mpc since 97 so i had alot of beats i felt was missing something like efx. i had a few efx pedals back in the day but once i got the 303 i was able to do more with the samples on the mpc.

[EarlGrey]

Ahh thanks once again. That clarifies alot man, I've been trying to decipher how you can create/sequence them beats just on the 404 with all the change ups and stuff. Didnt know you rocked the 303 as well on the side. Now I understand the origin off the gritty 'sound' your beats have. As you mentioned theres's many ways to create beats. Different gear, different methods. You just gotta have that 'ear' like Pete Rock said and keep it in tune.

The only holding me back is the software side of Maschine. I cant really find a good video on how the computer screen works with it. Those clips a la ableton kind off confuse me. Need to take a better look at that.

[Mr. Davenport]

I called Nova Musik and talked to a guy who knows the program inside out and it sounds like a nice lil se up, and not too expensive, about as much as I paid for my Ableton/M-audio set up. I would give them a call and they should be able to tell you what you need to know.

[EarlGrey]

I watched the 20 NI Maschine tutorials on youtube and am convinced that this will be my next move.

Only thing I hope will be included soon in an update is a time-stretch function. Thats a big miss.

[Lazyfoot23]

Topic and My Opinion of Winner
1. SAMPLING
SP404, With Maschine you have to convert it to wav. or aiff. usually through an editing program, so you need a Middle Man for Sampling, Maschine doesn't even do Mono. SP-404 not even just plug that bitch and your good to go! and No time stretch. Plus the Re-Sampling in Maschine sucks compared to the 404.
2. Sequencing
Maschine - A shit load more options.
3. Portability
SP-404 - small and cool looking.
4. Sound
SP-404 - Maschine has lot of f/x but it's bread and butter comes from the vst's, the internal sounds are a rip off of it's predecessors sp-1200's and mpc's
5. Quantization
Tie - O.k. maschine has a shit load of options, but really too much and hardly makes sense, I personally never really use it. The SP is ok but if you know how to use maschine's quantization than it's out the water for the sp.
6. Chopping
Tie - Yes I know Maschine has the Auto-Chop which is great but in my personal opinion I love the BPM mapping that the 404 can give you which helps in aligning small and large loops i.e. 45 90 180 is all the same shit.
7. OVer all Possibility
Maschine - its all about automation and programming, I don't like doing either.

In my opinion Maschine without vst's sucks, too much generic sounds and to sample you have to go through other programs which kills any real time work flow. I like listening to music via wax or my computer through the SP, sample the inspiration chop it up and get working, maschine I have to use audio hi-jack pro and it never sounds as clean as I like it to be.
When I use maschine with vst's the shit is crazy cool, komplete massive and everything is easily and awesomely adjustable, but it doesn't help in sampling.
I may just sell my Maschine to get my 404 back.

So if you have the vst's go for maschine, but if you like fun fast sampling get the SP-404, or get both you financially savvy mother fuckers.

[juniormungus]

man if u already got a 303, id just get the 1k, those 2 together are deadly. u get the best of both worlds, the sequencer of the mpc and the fx of the 303. its also probably the cheaper choice of the two. of course if u like using plugins and stuff id go the machine route, otherwise i don't see the point