Alright,so say I wanna filter the bassline out of a sample that also has drums in it along with the other instruments..is there a technique i don't know of where you can filter out that bassline without the thump of the kicks,or at least minimize them till they're barely noticeable?i'm pretty sure you can't do this with just the isolater & eq on the 404-but I'm thinking you could most likely find a way with a high quality low pass filter...just wanted to try and get some ideas or a known technique for this before i start messing around trying to figure it out. Thanks in advance,peace.

i use the auto filter in garageband a lot for filtering stuff. its pretty good for high pass, lo pass or band pass. not sure if you have a mac but that'd prolly work

This will be really hard to do if not impossible without a phase eq or something like that. My advice would be to use a High Pass as well and sweep it to see if that gets rid of the kick. You could also try an EQ with a tight q. Another thing to try would be to program your kicks over the kicks in the sample.

thanks a lot for the advice-Nah,i don't use software at all-and have a p.c.- I actually have really good low and high pass filters on the sampletrak though-but other than basic 90's style techniques i'm not to educated beyond that when it comes to filters.for instance i don't know much about sweeps-and i've never added any high pass to a sample that's already been low pass filtered(except when just layering it with the other instruments in the sample)...and yea, been playing my drums over drums in my samples for years-i know a lot of cats stay away from samples with drums in them,but i probably do this in like half my beats at least...for the one i'm talking about in particular though,i really wanna take the kicks out and leave just the bassline,if possible.I'll have to try this stuff out...if anyone has any other ideas or knows a sureshot way of doing this,please let me know,thanks.

There is software that can extract each instrument piece by piece, one is Photosounder, I put up a vid here 6 months ago demonstrating it and cost $40. Melodyne does it too but not as clean as Photosounder.

An ancient technique would be to use phase cancellation to your advantage but its tricky. Another would be to inspect the source you sampled it from, see if its mono or stereo. If its stereo, the bassline could be on the right channel and the drums on the left channel, so remove one of the input jacks and sample it in mono. I'm very familar with the samples on Code of the Streets by Gangstarr and Premier sampled the left channel where the violin was playing, but on the right channel was a piano which never was heard on Primo's track.

if you use a modern audio editor like adobe audtition, ( i read you dont use software sorry) you can manually highlight all the kicks and turn them down, and then run your filter and the kick will be lower but it might turn the bass down to a bit, adobe audition can also work exactly like photo sounderr, load it into spectrum mode, high light where the kicks peak and turn them down, it wont mess with the bass just the ranges you highlight.

Hey good looking on the feed and ideas yall,i appreciate you taking the time. I'm actually thinking about starting to use a couple programs & some plugins possibly just to perform little tasks like this- idk though,for me it takes a lot of the fun and spontenaity(sp) out of things...but, if theres certain things i could do real quickly then move right back to the hardware and making my beat,it might not be such a bad idea. For this though..i was fucking around with the low pass on my st,and theres a way to adjust it where the entire low end for the most part just becomes kinda like a sub bass sound, and the kicks don't stand out nearly as much..think i might just go with that. thanks again though,i really am interested in looking into some of these programs/plug ins...peace

mfx 21 is good for filtering bass in my opinion. then you can resample again in mono w/ isolater with everything flat except the lows. then keep the lows to about 9 o clock and trigger it with tap tempo+mfx whenever you want to avoid the kick. might drop the note for a split second as well but it will be less noticleable.... if you want to keep a solid bass note you could get the subsonic at the right frequency and do the above^ triggering mfx 22 (wet)instead of isolator. might have to resample a few times doing the sub at the same frequencies of each note but could be worth it, you'd hear the bassline w/o the kick. keep it in the box!!!

interesting...thanks kel

On the MV there's an effect called OLD SAMPLR and the filter totally extracts the bass. I had a sample with guitars and busy drums but all that got filtered out and the bass sounded smooth.

sounds like an sp1200 thing. if you run a sample out of ch 1 or 2 in there it's a straight lo filter

Word, they don't call it old sampler for nothing.

That sounds dope--though i could never get myself to drop a grand on something like an mv,lol,and i'm fully dedicated to doing my music on as low of a budget as possible,even though that's not out of neccessity-- you would think there would be some kind of software plug in that does the same. again though,that's really ill,must add a lot to your bassline possibilities.

if someone posts an example of old sampler i can make a preset for it, or even figure a way to do it on the sp .


i know the s1000 filters are bad ass for making bass lines,

i would guess some kind of [isolator] + [mfx 14] would come close...