Is there any way to use the pads of the SP like the MPC when they cancel each other?

not that I know of.

check the delete mode trick that was discussed on the forums about a month or two ago

also by putting them all on loop and hitting 2 at the same time, turning the new one on and the old one off simultaneously and so on.

that!

Yo I almost made my open challenge beat with the delete technique ..had a bunch of acoustic jazz guitar chops-never used mute groups in my life,I felt like I was cheating or some shit!lol,I can't believe most people make their beats like this-and that's not a knock at all,I'm definitely gonna be messing around more with this-makes it so much easier to be super creative & intricate with chops...if i tried pressing two pads at once i wouldn't be able to keep up with myself,lol---i know a lot of you have pad controllers & mpcs's you link up to your sp's-but if you don't have any way to use mute groups-you gotta try this techniqe.

Actually,that brings to mind a question-does one of those mpd's or tigger finger type joints have functions like mute groups,so you could link it up to the sp and record straight into a multi tracker,or does it have to be linked up to software?

i don't think the delete button technique works anything like mute groups, at least on somethin like an mpc......i could be wrong, but mute groups as i know em lets you set a pad that will allow you to mute a track within the multitrack sequencer, so you put all the sounds for muting on a seperate track, you probably would have like 4 or 5 (or all different tracks, one with some drums, one with some other drums, one with some layer shit, main sample, whatever whatever, then when you set the pad to turn off a corresponding track, and you do it, it doesn't become affected til the next time a sound from that track is triggered, so anything playing that you mute doesn't cut right off, i don't know any sampler that lets program like the delete mode trick, esp if you have other samples playin (drums) that you don't want to be monophonic.......but if i'm wrong then somebody school me

I'm just talking simply about playing your chops...pressing a pad and having it cut off when the next pad is pressed. This probably isn't the entire definition of mute groups-i'm just speaking on the method cats with mpc's use to play their chops. I've never had that luxery,& unless i'm missing something-every mpc beat i've ever seen made is done like this..and it's really dope-not having to worry about end points,being able to basically use one finger across the machine (much,much less dificult than playing chops in gate mode,or the sp hit 2 pads set on loop at the same time trick)to basically chop as quickly and intricately as you could possibly want...and doing it easily in one take--all i'm saying. Everything else your talking about is over my head,lol.

well i was just sayin i don't think that mpc's work like that, the 2000xl definitely does not have that function, but i also may be wrong in assuming other machines don't do that either

I don't know much at all about mpc's- i do know the xl is an older model than a lot of cats use now.. Still all i ever hear about mpc production is mute groups,this,mute groups that-or people going from mpcs to sp's or other machines asking wheres the mute group function (like the thread starter) -& again every mpc vid i've ever seen from boon doc to kev brown to pete rock shows cats just bouncing from pad to pad to pad with their chops,playing each one as long or short as they want,and the same ones for different ammounts of time before they hit the next one-so i know this is a feature of at least some mpc's. Regardles though-the delete technique= dopeness,and a brilliant idea. who was it,that came up with it,sleeps numb?And can anyone answer my question about pad controllers?thanks

Just found this on mpc forums real quick-you're definitely right about the xl,but-

"does the 2000xl have mute groups like for example the mpc500? where you hit a pad with a sample and then when you hit the next pad it cutts off the first pad you hit?

thx"

yes the xl can be setup to cut off samples... i used the xl for a long time and got very comfortable with it..sad i had to let it go...still my fav. sampler of all time

word, guess i didn't spend enough time on it, i mean i know whats up with poly, mono, and note on or whatever, and i know how to set a pad to trigger a track mute for a certain track in whatever sequence is playing, but how do you set it to do this monophonic function while other samples are playing out in there entirety?? like say you have a sequenced drum pattern, or even just a straight one bar loop, and then you can play pads over it that cut each other off??? why doesn't the drum loop shut off when you play another pad? is that how it works?? thats what doesn't make sense to me

None of the SP's have mute groups. That is what you are talking about. As was said, go peep the SP-404 thread about the "delete method". Other than that, the setting each sample on "loop" and hitting (at the same time) the pad of the one you want to end and the pad one you want to start does the trick.

yep..but again-remember you can't record a sequence in the sp-you can just play them over a drum pattern you got going-when i did this i made a 8 bar drum pattern with the sampletrak & sampled it into the 404,put it on loop,and started banging away with the chops...obviously you'd have to record to a multitracker or software in realtime,then go back and layer over what you recorded w/ whatever else....i thought the best way to do it would be to basically press record on the 8 track and start improvising melodies w/ the chops....then sample what i like back into the 404 and build on that. Haven't gone through the complete process yet as far as recording but just playing chops like that was mad fun....