BLOODY BUM RAPE. IS POSSIBLE THAT CUPP CAVE/KINGFISHERG/SSALIVA IS THE KID FAVOURITE GENIUS OF THE MOMENT AN THAT.

DID EWE KNOW THAT THE PLURAL OF GENIUS IS GENIUI?

Eh..? Cupp Cave is Ssaliva?

From www.the-breaks.com

KC 7 the Sunshine Band-

* “What Makes You Happy”
3XDope’s “The Greatest Man Alive”
JCD and the Dawg lb’s “They Like it Like We Do”
Slum Village’s “Hold Tight”
YBT’s “Mack Daddy Don of the Underworld”

Really not that big of a thing- it was used before Jay used it..shouldn't be an issue to use it after- unless of course if the dude jacked the whole loop from the actual S.V. song-but I don't think the whole loop is open on it...I don't know why the hate on the kids beat itself,lol-it's a nice track-not spectacular,but really honestly pretty dope.Not glitchy enough?

By the way-just 1 example,'cause it's done all the time-look how many cats have "jacked" preem drums-listen to older alchemist,evidence,necro shit-just a few well known names that obviously copped more than a few kits from premiere..I've heard his drums on countless respected underground artists beats-getting one of his beat cd's is like getting a new drum library for some,lol...Alright,2 examples- some of black milks drums from his first release or two were one shots left open on Dilla joints too....

legit sure but I still think that is weak. what is so hard about just playing out a dope drum track? I thought that was the whole point of all the technology and equipment. It's not DJs on decks blending drum breaks and sample loops anymore but w/e it's part of Hip Hop production so who am I to question it, but I still say learn how to drum

and the beat isn't really that bad, I agree bout that. but the fact he recycled a drum break Dilla used, and did a shittier job of it doesn't help the perception

It is SLIGHTLY possible (maybe) that he didn't know Dilla used it.I kinda doubt it,but then again I had never even heard this joint till today,lol- I hear what you're saying- I definitely like chopping breaks better,re-arranging all the elements,layering,etc-but still- looping breaks will always be a part of hip hop- I mean, looping a break is the exact definition of how hip hop started/was invented-I know you know that, I'm just saying,it's not big deal to still use drum loops now and again-pretty much every legendary producer still does it from time to time.

Oh yea- don't know if you're up on them-but if you wanna here some modern day amazing breakbeat shit-check out Diamond District-amazing beats..they use a combination of looping breaks,adding extra elements to looped breaks,and of course chopping them-but 99% of their beats sound like 100% breaks.The crew is all mc's,I think (could be wrong,maybe they make a few of the beats for their albums)-they must ask for strictly these types of joints-they work with the whole low budget camp-kev brown,oddisee,roddy rod,etc..Damu is really ill with the break drums- but D.D. has a much more grimy sound.

It used to be looked down upon to jack someone else's drums (off another hip hop record). It was also lame to use overused breaks. What made Dilla special is that he went through a phase of taking extremely obvious breaks and compressing/engineering them to hit hard as hell.

Times have obviously changed, but I think every producer should put in time to figure out how to do it for yourself.

AN THEN KANYE DISCOVERED THE DOGGONE BREAK

i thought kanye plays everything live ona drum kit

http://mellomusicgroup.bandcamp.com/album/in-the-ruff

http://damuthefudgemunk.bandcamp.com/al ... for-demand

http://mellomusicgroup.bandcamp.com/alb ... liberation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agxPsijqe7o
- "Kanye told me he samples my drums for runaway....& when I heard I heard it, I was blown away.." -(in a good way) Pete Rock in this little interview

Obviously We should all learn as much as possible about how things are properly done-at the same time,sometimes people don't have many resources..in a lot of ways computers can do now for amateurs what pro engineers did for hip hop producers in the early-mid 90's-so I can't really get mad if someone layers up a couple snares from a couple hip hop joints,and some kicks & hats from others and makes his/her own kits that way..actually,when doing that,you're still making an unrecognizeable original kit....Of course I'm the first to advocate for doing things the way they were done back in the day-and I do-except for the use of some drum libraries-but we all have to make the most of what's available to us.

As far as breaks-at this point,theres not gonna be any more earth shattering breaks to be discovered from the 60's or 70's-"obscure" breaks don't really exist anymore-i mean,yea it's wack to use,like the impeach the president loop or funky drummer or some super classic used a million times-but it'll never be wack to use some break loops,or chunks of them,or mix a couple together...instead of strictly chopping them into one shots-that sound,that fluidity, soul,& swing of a live drummer combined with the crunchiness and warmth of vinyl from the 60's,70's,some early 80's even- will always define the sound of hip hop in many ways....

I know you aren't talking directly to me but just to be clear I only use drums that come from vinyl. I never use "library sounds", I just don't use loops - I experimented with it a lot early on but I just found that I prefer to work with individual hits and play it out. I still think if you take the time to work on your drumming you can create your own "fluidity, swing, soul" all that shit you mentioned...you don't need to use breaks to have dynamic drums. That is where I get to thinking that a lot of it is just cats being lazy - and I don't mean that like HEY YOU ARE WEAK if you do it, it's just logical that it's easier, you have to blend things rather than putting a rhythm on the track yourself. but that also kinda locks you in to a certain sound/swing. you have more "infinite" possibilities when you have a break chopped into single hits on the pads...but these discussions can get very circular b/c who gives a fuck as long as the beat is dope



There nothing too crazy to figure out. He just had a good ear and knew how to use his gear and effects/layering. It's just like anything else with this shit, there is no magic trick, you just have to be talented and work hard to gain the experience.

oh yea I also use drums from drum machines...have you played around with sampling the dr202 drum sounds into the SP yet, a.D.?

My bad for not relying till now sin, haven't been on here since the other day..But really all I'm using the 202 for is the bass,and a couple of the kicks for layering under ones I pull off my records,breaks collection, or whatever. The rest of the sounds on there aren't anything special to me at all. I mean,yea you can tweak them-but the drum libraries I'm talking about that I use on some shit are actually (for the most part) from other drum machines(kinda like how you were talking about making a library of the 202 sounds then selling it)- much better & classic drum machines with way better sounds-so I preffer to use those when I need to beef some things up,or just tweak the sounds to use by themselves. As far as the whole breaks thing- i think I've made maybe 2-3 beats in the last 4 years where I actually looped a break-BUT I'm starting to wanna incorporate it into my sound more-like putting a high pass break under a programmed drum pattern-or just making a break sound drastically different than its original sound while keeping it intact,etc-also layering the kicks and snares & hats from 2 breaks I've chopped,then using the rolls,small snare hits, and open hats from one of them to crete a new "break"-for me it's not about being lazy,I just love the sound-even if it is just looping a break that hasn't really been used much if at all (as a loop) without much tweaking to it at all-which I'm doing a little of too . I'm really working hard to combine new and old styles in different ways,hopefully it'll show when I finish my projects i got going. I completely understand what you're saying though,and for the most part agree....to a certain extent I always respect what you have to say though -but yea,I'll be posting my beat for the vinyl challenge tomorrow or tuesday, every last sound on it is from my record collection (minus my break records and hip hop records),you should give it as listen.peace