Someone please explain this logic to me. Why does the struggles of African Americans lessen the struggles of homosexuals? I don't see how you can justify hate by saying others were more hated so it's not as bad. Hate is hate to me.

It doesn't lessen the struggles of gay people-we all know that homosexuals have faced a huge ammount of descrimination,been victims of hate crimes,been unfairly stereotyped,etc-and I think the majority of us agree that hate towards homosexuals based strictly on their sexuality shouldn't be in any way tolerated. I just think a lot of people take offense to actually comparing the 2 struggles-or making the use of the n & f words equivilent.And that's what was being talked about,the use of the "f" word.It's a completely different thing,and outside of the deragatory use of these words,they're used in completely different contexts. And as an example of the difference between the 2 struggles- black people (along with some white people) marched and protested facing the threats of extreme brutality,jail/prison time,& DEATH.Gay people have parades dressed in rubber while waving from giant penis floats .

I don’t feel like anybody is trying to lessen the struggles of homosexuals or trying to justify hate. So yeah… let’s not go putting words into other people’s mouths.

its not that serious. most of these doods will not call a person that to the face. they some young kids tryin be extra rebelious , but kobe on the other hand should know better . they have classes when they enter the league on public releations . especially when they a superstar everything they say is under a magnify glass.

Fuck Steve Harvey

I dunno I youtubed them because of this thread and I am not convinced.

I think that you can compare the F word and the N word in the broad sense that they are derogatory word towards a group of people. Also being gay is punishable by death in a number of countries still, so it's not all parades for gay people.



Don't mean to put word in people mouths, but I feel the argument that the f word is not as bad as the n word because the oppression of black people was worse does lessen the struggles of homosexuals. So you may not mean this by saying it, but it's how I interpret it.

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that is fuckin great. never seen that site, Hipster Runoff hahahah

thx for that

ive been a huge fan of ofwgkta sice 09. they are extremely talented. yeah some of their beats really do suck, but you cant deny the creative rhymes. the top 2 ppl are easily earl and tyler. honestly, you can hate on this statement, but earl is literally one of the best rappers in the last 5 years or so. if you actually pay attention to the lyrics he saying, they are fucking mind blowing. if i were you, download earl's tape, google each one of the songs lyrics, and just read them. he did that shit when he was 16 years old and he's better than most rappers you hear about. sure they talk about rape, drugs, killing, gays, ect. but who gives a shit, its telling a story, but in rap form. if your offended, just dont listen, the point of odd future is that they dont give a fuck. tyler is dope as hell too. bastard was such an ill album. once again, google those lyrics. and i have to say, on the bastard and earl tape i was very impressed on the production. but ppl need to listen to just more than tyler and earl. mellow is just meh for me. i honestly dont like them too much. domo genesis is so dope. he's the "secret weapon" for all his weed raps and shit. mike g is pretty bad if you ask me, he mumbles too much and shit, and i cant get down with him too much. left brain isnt that great of a producer in my opinion, most of his shit sounds like radio beats and i cant get down with that. but overall, OF is definitely one of my favorite groups as of right now. i saw them live in sf, and boy was that an experience. their lives shows are like black flag and wu tang mixed. i left the crowd with a bloody nose and a fucked up jaw. if you ever go to an OF show, go to the front, youll never regret it! i could talk about this shit all day, but i hate typing, so im gonna end here. cant wait for GOBLIN. 5.10.11!!!!

to each their own of course...but I don't have to google their lyrics to know that they are very good at putting words together and sounding cool. still haven't heard an OF song that really hit me tho, they remind of my homies younger brother and his friends that can rap their asses off but don't really have nuffin to say...there has been so much hip hop made. so many dope lines written. takes more than great rhyme schemes sprinkled with some wordplay to be deemed creative and ground breaking. but hey that's just me. I think Earl and Tyler could become very ill tho. def not a hater, I'm just not feeling it I guess

^^this is pretty much what I thought when I finally googled them-though I only heard a couple joints-the rhymes sound mad dope on the surface,and really they are in a lot of ways for some strictly battle type shit....the multi sayllable after multi syllable rhymes can seem mad impressive-but then when you factor in that they're willing to say pretty much anything-it's really not that hard for any semi decent mc to string together such multi-syllabic bars when basically any word is available to you in any context (though i gotta say their use of the "f" word,lol,doesn't come across as offensive in the least,and it's not meant to) and you're not spitting on any topic in particular.Plus even with all the vocal acrobatics-there's still not many dope metaphores or punchlines,but basically just a bunch of words that rhyme. I saw a lot of comments saying how they are so much doper than cats like wayne or drake-but they don't have one liners that begin to compare with waynes shit from the last couple years,or even drakes-even though for the most part both those dudes just rhyme the last one or two,maybe three syllables of each bar..a lot of times that's neccesarry for really dope one liners,punches & metaphores/similies.At the same time,they get props from me for being this ill with their vocab at such a young age,and really-the 2 songs i heard reminded me of eminems early battle raps,his stuff on rawkus,some shit off his first couple albums,etc, more than anything else-which is really saying a lot-that is if they eventually evolve into rapping on actual topics while still being able to maintain some intricate wordplay. we'll see, these kids are MAD young......

OF is cool, like some have stated I remember hearing about them around '09 on the blogs and what not - I wasn't really impressed originally, but they kept at it, found their niche, and I can appreciate that (same for Lil B, *sidenote* anybody hear that track he did with 9th wonder, “Base for your face” ooooooooooweeee) . All hip hop is not the same, they don’t have enough punch lines, maybe they aren’t punch line rappers, they don’t rap about peace and love then there is always Minnie Ripperton.

People are funny though, because only certain people are suppose to say certain things. I remember coming up and the "shock act" of the time was Marilyn Manson. With all his shits on the bible, "I’m the antichrist", suck dick pope john and ETC., the select few that we're offended and said anything/boycotted him we're majorly those of the Christian faith, the rest ignored it. That did not stop him from saying what he had to say nor stop those who wanted listen to his music. Don’t get me started on Eminem, when he was actually was good. (I miss crazy ass-throw Kim’s body in the trunk-while Halie is in the front seat-Shady)

With that said, I don't think OF should censor what they say, if that's how they feel then that’s how they feel. They need to grow up, but what 16-18 year old doesn't? I probably talked as dirty or dirtier at that age (I don’t know how many butt rape jokes my friends and I used to crack..). Also, the success that they've gained was kind of unexpected. To go from casually uploading some tunes on your BlogSpot and a select audience downloading your joints to having plays on mtv, and hit radio would definitely be weird…the public relations coaches are not going to come instantly.

To sum me up… there are bigger problems in the world: kids dying, we are still at war, and Donald trump is running for president. Whether OF is politically correct or incorrect is the least of my worries. The people who have got offended by their music and would be offended by their music aren’t the ones listening to it. Take heed.

I think Bridge is the only one that is offended and saying he doesn't like them b/c of their content...

rest of us are just saying we aren't that impressed. their content makes them sound trivial to me, not offensive

also the Eminem comparison isn't fair for a few reasons. Em had more visceral emotional/real content from the beginning - like I really believed he was a white trash piece of shit that wanted to kill his wife. these OF kids sound they are trying to sound that way, Em really was that way...whole diff level of believability if you ask me. also when Em came in the game he was bringing something new to the table, that buzzsaw rapid fire multi flow was something that no one had really stepped up from the Kool G/Kane levels until Em came around and started blitzkrieging on beats. OF is like a diluted down less believable version of Em if you tryin to draw that comparison. but a.D. said it, they are MAD young so we'll see

Yes, "mad young", but an accurate portrayal of today’s youth. These are kids who have an infinite amount resources available to them…via the internet. That is the current state of your average teen. Kid’s seeing, and hearing everything from murder to dolphin fucking. Daily. So perhaps they are trying to be a certain way, but perhaps they aren’t