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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:26 pm 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvQQk2pV ... r_embedded

if u do im not knockin u because its good to know different genres and the science behind it. but i had a few homies in my old camp kinda fall off into oblivion going from makin straight boom bap soulful jazzy hip hop to tryin to sound like diplomats ( camron beats). they just started listening to all that kind of music strictly and buyin mad keyboards. which all does the same thing. haha. but i gotta agree with the homie f major in this video.

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thx for the link, def thought provoking. I spent so much time thinking bout this same shit the past year, as I'm sure you have since you interested in this video...

I totally feel him about gear dominating thoughts and taking you away from creativity...I think that all of us have prob gotten caught up in that. but ultimately you gonna have to be a really creative/artistic person to make good music anyway, and you may waste time switching gear or whatever, but lot of cats just don't have the talent so they keep trying to buy new shit hoping it'll make their beats sound better....

The part that is really important to me is how he talking bout cats try to emulate a certain sound, he was tying it into the gear aspect and that's true - how many cats bought sp303 b/c of Dilla or Madlib? - but really it's a more fundamental problem. Too much Hip Hop and music in general these days don't sound original, it's just new versions of the same ol shit in some ways...not to talk bout myself but the last year and a half I have started to focus heavily on production in addition to my emceeing...and I actually STOPPED listening to music other than my own very often b/c I just wanted to clear my mind of the sounds that I subconsciously "wanted to sound like" and tried to just let my sound evolve as independently of outside influences as I could realistically control

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just to clarify it's not like I crawled under a rock..I kept up with shit, but I drastically reduced my "listening" time and just focused more heavily on my own sound. I think it helped me a lot

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I just was reading a richie hawtin interview this morning (old one) that talked about the same thing, and about the gear he used back when he was just starting out...


its pretty simple really,
u see people pull off dope shit with the shittiest low budget functionless gear, so buyin new gear is mostly a waste of time...

I dont blame people though, they're raised from near-birth, bombarded daily with advertising to make them believe that buying shit is the solution to everything.. a

As for the people tryin to sound like someone else.. that's the people who want the fame.. they dont care bout the music, they just want the outcome that they perceive a certain sound will bring them.. Again.. all just marketing.. look at that guy, how successful he is. you want to be just like him. thats success. money buys happiness. money buys better music, etc etc...


I am caught up in this in some ways myself.. my music productivity is shit all.. but in many ways I was always a tech-geek even before i found a love of music.. I get happiness just out of the gear and thinking about how it works... and then I am tryin to make my own electronic devices as welll.. So there is still that creative input.


I feel for the creative people that get stuck in the cycle though.. best advice if u been in the gear-lust game for a while is this IMO..:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing exactly the same over and over again and expecting a different outcome.. How many times have you bought/sold gear expecting your music/productivity to improve?

Time to change is now.... No more 'Im just gonna get x then I'll be done'..

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Sinapse wrote:
just to clarify it's not like I crawled under a rock..I kept up with shit, but I drastically reduced my "listening" time and just focused more heavily on my own sound. I think it helped me a lot



naw thats real talk. and when some cats bought that 303 expectin to have the madlib / dilla sound and couldnt pull it off. they gave up on the machine and sold it. i think f major was sayin the creative process should be focussin on music mainly. not worryin about what the equipment or vsts. because u can achieve the sound with any hardware / software if theres emotion behind the process. if its like a standard formula u only stick to , and dont go outside of that ur limitin ur creative process. and also all sounds is borrowed unless u mic up noises and make ur own custom drums and etc. everyone is influnece by someone even dilla and the rest of the legends. its just puttin ur signature on it and addin extra to it. like i was sayin with my homies they fell off not because they got all them keyboards. it was the reasonings behind why they got the keyboards. oh this has them neptune sounds or timberland sounds. plus they wasnt layerin the sounds or tweakin them out so u can obviously know what sounds they used. its cool they can make some radio shit versitility is good in my opinion ,but they completely stop makin what they started doing. who knowes they couldve combined there old sound w/ some of the stuff there doing recently and made up there own shit.

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cartesia wrote:
I just was reading a richie hawtin interview this morning (old one) that talked about the same thing, and about the gear he used back when he was just starting out...


its pretty simple really,
u see people pull off dope shit with the shittiest low budget functionless gear, so buyin new gear is mostly a waste of time...

I dont blame people though, they're raised from near-birth, bombarded daily with advertising to make them believe that buying shit is the solution to everything.. a

As for the people tryin to sound like someone else.. that's the people who want the fame.. they dont care bout the music, they just want the outcome that they perceive a certain sound will bring them.. Again.. all just marketing.. look at that guy, how successful he is. you want to be just like him. thats success. money buys happiness. money buys better music, etc etc...


I am caught up in this in some ways myself.. my music productivity is shit all.. but in many ways I was always a tech-geek even before i found a love of music.. I get happiness just out of the gear and thinking about how it works... and then I am tryin to make my own electronic devices as welll.. So there is still that creative input.


I feel for the creative people that get stuck in the cycle though.. best advice if u been in the gear-lust game for a while is this IMO..:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing exactly the same over and over again and expecting a different outcome.. How many times have you bought/sold gear expecting your music/productivity to improve?

Time to change is now.... No more 'Im just gonna get x then I'll be done'..


ur reasoning for the gear is a love. which is way different. im the same way just not constructin devices.lol using different equipment to me gets me out of a routine. when it becomes a routine to me when creating the beats i make get boring. so its good to switch it up sometimes.

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so its good to switch it up sometimes.


Ya man, I really love gear and like having different stuff to keep me interested. It can get distracting though, so it's good to limit yourself.

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Right now I'm trying to teach 2 of my friends to make beats/produce/ .... make music (whatever you want to call it). One person went the MPC, microkorg, midi controller and PC route. The other went the SP404 and some records/VHS route.

Yup, you guessed it. The person with all the gear is too obsessed with trying to create a certain sound that he never ends up making music. The person with the SP404 just has fun with it and every time he watches a movie or gets some new records he just samples straight away. Neither of them are making great music yet, but I can definitely tell the passion in one compared to the other.


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I have got caught up in all the gear, it is away of money, now I'm just sticking with my streetboxx 246 drummachine and sp 404 and cd's anything I can sample and thats it


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dollarllama d wrote:
so its good to switch it up sometimes.


Ya man, I really love gear and like having different stuff to keep me interested. It can get distracting though, so it's good to limit yourself.


yeah its like a.d.d. w/ equipment i call it lol. but its not bad having alot of equipment and freakin it and experimenting. but i find myself searchin for some of my old equipment like a 424 tascam . the set up was simple back then ,but was findin ways to maxmise what i had.

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formal wrote:
Right now I'm trying to teach 2 of my friends to make beats/produce/ .... make music (whatever you want to call it). One person went the MPC, microkorg, midi controller and PC route. The other went the SP404 and some records/VHS route.

Yup, you guessed it. The person with all the gear is too obsessed with trying to create a certain sound that he never ends up making music. The person with the SP404 just has fun with it and every time he watches a movie or gets some new records he just samples straight away. Neither of them are making great music yet, but I can definitely tell the passion in one compared to the other.


haha thats dope ur teachin them. ur homie with the sp and vhs is gonna be a problem in the future. because he already open to experimentin. but ur boy with the mpc maybe a problem as well if he gets out of that obession for a sound than creatin w/ emotion. the homie dak is the perfect example. dood beats sounds like he's has some hi tech equipment. he using vcrs, 4 tracks mpc and a demo version of ableton and its equal to alot cats in full blown studios.

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...but I want an mpc sooo bad :cry:


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I've been known to box up some shit and put it in the closet to focus. Nothing wrong with loving new gear, but its ok if you got your axe mp2k or whatever that will be your only tool ever too if thats how you get down.

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