Yeah I know: "Blah blah blah, auto tune. Blah blah blah, kanye's a dick. Blah blah blah, sell out".
But FUCK that! I must say that this album is underrated. The production is so ill and the tracks have deep ass meanings. I gotta admit i was one of the people who didn't even like the album before i listened to it. But after listening to it with and open mind i gotta give kudos to kanye. People be trippin

kinda hard to give respect to a man who dont respect himself or others. like if the grand high wizard of the KKK made a rap album you wouldnt see me like "yo his album is the shit", i wouldnt even get as far as listening to it. like Dibaise beats is hot as shit but if he came on here like "fuck yaw, yaw beats aint better than mine" id tell him to eat a dick and wouldnt listen to any of his tracks. Kayne basically said he is better than everyone who is and ever been, literally, they got vids of it on youtube, like 10 of em.
so yeah "blah blah blah" FUCK KAYNE WEST!!! i know good music is good music but respect goes a long way. if he said fuck you to your face you'd feel a little different. fuck his album, no offense to you. and that digital piece of shit aint that good, really!

both good points. i've had a few experiences like this sort of.

this was probably 6-7 years ago. went to watch kid koala (if you haven't seen him GO if you get the chance. fucking awesome) and there was a dj opening and basically everybody was kinda ignoring him. i won't mention his name, but you've heard of him at this point, trust me. i felt a little sorry for the guy. he was making sorta corny jokes and shit. so I basically was trying to support the dude, clapping and yelling and shit. eventually, he ends up giving me a cd of his. that night, when nobody gave a fuck about him he was real cool.
a few days after that i hit the dude up myspace, i was really nice, complimentary, and asked him a few questions about his live set-up, and beats in general. the guy hit me back and came across like a FUCKING ASSHOLE. waaay too cool. basically brushed me off.

so i basically wrote the dude off after that. NOW, dude has gotten kinda popular, but i won't even listen to his shit. the whole experience ruined it for me.

on the opposite end of the spectrum, i met les claypool at the HEIGHT of Primus's popularity and dude was COOL AS SHIT. and this guy's a brilliant musician. he had press waiting for him and i said "don't worry about me, i'm just a loser" and he says "yeah i'm just a loser too"

one more: i was at a hip hop show, so long ago i forget who i was seeing, but i ended up chillin in the lobby by myself. so slimkid from the PHARCYDE walks by. then he comes up to me and says "you alright?" after i assured him i was good, dude gives me a HUG and says "yeah you look kinda sad sitting there, had to check on ya." i mean come on, PHARCYDE. i was always liked them, but after that, i was a big fan.

i think how the artist acts, and who they are, absolutely affects their work. it definitely affects my perception of it.

i mean are you gonna still go see mel gibson movies?

Idk man, I think it's good to see a mainstream album that focuses more on the poetic expression of emotions than the usual materialistic garbage. Dude went out of his narcissistic comfort zone when he was making the album, but I agree with you both 100%. His personality has tainted his music.

And Slim Kid Tre from the Pharcyde gave you a hug!?! Just hearing that makes ME happy

I fucking LOVE that album. So futuristic. Very well structured songs, great choice of sounds, amazing engineering. Great concept that was executed perfectly. I hear he just bought like 6 madlib beats for his next shit so that will already be a classic too. If he didn't have such a huge ego, he would probably still be making beats in his bedroom just like me.

fuck it. that shit had some dope bass bruh. i dont care who he is or what he does. i just like the lows to watch my smoke bounce. and honestly who the fuck cares... did he disrespect any of you? naaaah so fuck it.

gotta care about something, he aint disrespect me so i aint gonna sock him in his face but he embodies everything i hate about the music business so thats why i wont listen to his music. it aint no "fuck it" in this conversation unless you like douchebags. if you like douche bags and support them in every way, then more power to you for loving douchebags. i know music is music but its hard to see it for what it is when a pile of shit is standing behind it. AND!!! that shit aint even that hot. Its good but whatever.
its too easy to not care about shit, fuck that, i give a fuck, i aint losing no sleep over it but i dam sure aint blowing in the wind like, fuck everything. and yes he disrespected all of us, maybe not to our faces cause id knock his dick loose but when your a beat producer and some dude says that he is better than everyone in the universe, yes he is talkin about you as well. Id rather listen to your shit Drew more than id listen to his shit any day and have alot more fun spittin over it than his over processed, back to the future, cafe disco ass beats. It was supposed to be Hip Hop right, if so then i guess i dont know what the fuck hip hop is anymore.

dam, i went to grooveshark and played a few of his new tracks and im like what are people screaming over, i really dont get it. I think im gonna tap out of this conversation. typed so much for that fucking album, heh. next time lets discuss something that actually good. people are so easily impressed but id think id hear this from people who dont actually make beats and listen to a bunch of different music, he aint make nothing new to me. same rnb dude singing, same dumping ass drum, same douchebag flows. right on.
im done.

dont get defensive? bruh. chill out. hes a faggot yes. i just brush him off.

That's kind of like saying you'd stop listening to every rapper in the game just because they brag about their lyrical skill in most of their songs. The industry is just as aggressive as it is passionate. It's been like that. It just be like that.

i know i said im done but whatever, this is a good discussion. if i appear to be defensive, my bad, i aint like that. ive just giving my opinion, thats all. i just spent a few hours sucked into youtube (which i never do) and watched a bunch of vids of kayne west stating that he is the best there is and ever will be, and how he is better than everyone in the game. usually when you hear shit like that its in a rap which is very competative, but not in interviews and red carpet events. i rap too and i know ive said a million times how good i am, thats hip hop, expression of your skills in words and in delivery. but once you overstep your bounds and say your better than every beat producer, cookin up digital rainbow club beats, thats where i draw the line. so if im coming off aggressive, my bad, i dont mean to. i just enjoy talking about music and i really like the forums and alot of the music people on here are producing, so to hear someone put kayne west on a pedastal, and knowing all the shit he said out of his mouth, makes me wanna represent the sp beatmakers by not giving him the time of day. thats all. and im an old school head anyways, still banging tribe called quest and pete rock and the guru. but i still try to taste some of the new shit and it does nothing for me. you'd think that break beats died listening to mainstream music, its crazy. i know times change, i guess i just dont want them to because i grew up when hip hop was at its peak, i dont know what the hell is going on now. its all synths and 808's. guess im a old head and im only 28. but i read a book called, makin beats:the art of hip hop sampling, and it had alot of cool interviews from classic beat producers and dj's stating that hip hop is where the heart is, and im not getting alot of heart from alot of the new music i hear. begining to have a format, maybe 3 or 4 sample beats, a shitload of synths and 808's, a bunch of different producers on an album, and a guy or girl rnb singer singing the hooks. like what you like, by all means, but always have your eyes open on whats going on and be very critical, it will make you better in the long run to know whats crap and to excell above the crap, in personality ands in production. fuck the bow-shit!
and drew i was banging your dilly dilly track at work today, good shit yo!

Yo I feel you. Kanye could be more humble about his work. And I say "Word!" to being a young oldhead too. I'm only 17 and I'm stuck on the 90's. I live in the south, where people listen to straight garbage and have a new favorite song every week. In a book called Born to Use Mics, the author was talking about how music has basically become disposable because there are no standards to live up to. People will listen to your shit just because of your label-mates or a dope alias *cough* Waka Flocka Flame *cough*. Like, since when was music a trend? It's become quantity over quality. I just like producers like Kanye and especially 9th Wonder because in a way (on some tracks) they preserve the old school sound. I'm not ridin kanye's nuts or anything, I'm just sayin some of his tracks are worthy of my ipod. I guess we're all waiting on the rebirth of hip hop. I understand how you came off like that. It's that combination of aggression and passion, which is desperately needed in rap music today.

you are absolutely right. kayne has done some really good shit and 9th wonder is the fuckin man. but i totally changed my mind about kayne when i saw all those videos of him putting himself on a pedastal and disrespecting the entire rap game. thats why i love undergroundhiphop.com cause you can always find someone to listen to with his heart in his music and you can totally feel the difference in the sound and quality. and that means alot to me, im beyond hearing a track and being like, thats hot. i did that when i was 17-18. now i listen deeper and examine the music with a keen eye sort of. i still enjoy listening to new and improved forms of hip hop but i cant get away from the old style of sampled beats, creative rhymes and fun tracks. everything is a trend now, like you said. cant find a new video without lights and chicks everywhere. i remember the 90's videos all gritty and raw like a lo-fi beat. its sort of like how people are still all about the beatles and the doors and led zepplin and pink floyd. good music is good music, but now rock is dominated by these overnight 6 chord bands with formatted tracks and the same voices. music is fucking crazy. even new jazz is fuckin up. its too much money is music now so everything is fucked. but when you find that gem in the rough you hold on to it and kayne aint it. madlib is the first that comes to mine when i think about vids and interviews i saw of him just making music cause he cant stop, now thats passion. drinking 6 expresso's a day to stay up all night making beats for himself. if more music was like that then we'd trancend to new levels of production, but all we have is overprocessed garbage made for the masses.

SHUT UP! ALREADY!