404 v. 606

[korakios]

ahhh i gotcha...

thanks for replying... i may buy the 606 next week... does the usb recording thing work kinda like the sp555? usb to the computer and recording programs (like reaper) can "see" the 606??

yes...!606 can be used as a soundcard and u can record via usb any sound from 606!

[timfromtexas]

So it has the 4 track thing goin on... You can mix 2 or 3 or even all 4 back down to one track freeing up the other remaining tracks right? When you do that does it free up the poli?

Can you resample tracks straight to a pad using it kinds like the 555 loopcapture? Key word kinda... I'm A little confused as to how the sequencer works and the use of the 4 track.. Most posts on here have little to no mention of it.. I'll be using it with my 404 but I would like to get a more powerful machine to do more work than the 404

One more thing I was told A while ago that the 606 either had a pitch adjust or time stretch that was good! Like you can make your sample stretch or pit h to fit your track rather than the other way around?
Any truth to that?

[korakios]

So it has the 4 track thing goin on... You can mix 2 or 3 or even all 4 back down to one track freeing up the other remaining tracks right? When you do that does it free up the poli?

Unfortunatelly the 4 tracks story is only the perfomance of what you play,not audio(sample)...so u can't mix it because there is no way u can record in a pad any of the 4tracks(using only the 606)...but u can record them in the computer or in an external gear to free the poli...keep in mind that you can't lower r raise the volume of the tracks,only mute unmute....

One more thing I was told A while ago that the 606 either had a pitch adjust or time stretch that was good! Like you can make your sample stretch or pit h to fit your track rather than the other way around?
Any truth to that?

the time stretch is useless on samples with heavy bass frequencies (kicks-bass lines...) because it crackles too much...also the pitch does not affect the time of the sample...

Can you resample tracks straight to a pad using it kinds like the 555 loopcapture? Key word kinda...

you can resample pads not the tracks as I mentioned above...also you can only resample pads that are in the same pad bank...stupidity....

... I'm A little confused as to how the sequencer works and the use of the 4 track..

the 404 has one track sequence...the 606 has 4 tracks...when you press rec u select the track you want to record and when you press play you just mute unmute any of the 4tracks...

[ellaguru]

One more thing I was told A while ago that the 606 either had a pitch adjust or time stretch that was good! Like you can make your sample stretch or pit h to fit your track rather than the other way around?
Any truth to that?

the time stretch is useless on samples with heavy bass frequencies (kicks-bass lines...) because it crackles too much...also the pitch does not affect the time of the sample...

a not bad feature the 606 got is the "master" function: you can adjust the sounding of , for example, a pitch shifted sample with that...
it's just a button in the front pannel, just push it and resample the sample...

Can you resample tracks straight to a pad using it kinds like the 555 loopcapture? Key word kinda...

you can resample pads not the tracks as I mentioned above...also you can only resample pads that are in the same pad bank...stupidity....

...i didn't knew that korakios...this is totally possible with the sp-505...whit it you can resample from, for example, bank 6 to bank 18....

anyway tim, the "capture" is a feature that only the sp555 got in the SP world...(the mpc1000, the st-224, the es1 and the esx1 -that you know well- got a similar feature too)...

[korakios]

Can you resample tracks straight to a pad using it kinds like the 555 loopcapture? Key word kinda...

you can resample pads not the tracks as I mentioned above...also you can only resample pads that are in the same pad bank...stupidity....

...i didn't knew that korakios...this is totally possible with the sp-505...whit it you can resample from, for example, bank 6 to bank 18....

In 606 you can't resample samples that are in different soundbanks..I'm sure!In resampling mode you can't access other padbank...505 was a killing machine!I have one but i bought a VP9000 for pitch and time features and now is resting in 606box!

[timfromtexas]

Thanks so much for the replies everyone... So with the pitch function will it slow the sample down enough to fit into a specific measure( like the pitch knob on the esx)? Or does it only change the sound while keeping the length the same? I use the pitch knob on the esx constantly to squeeze a sample in or drag it to fit... I swear I understood that from someone here but I could be wrong...

Thanks again for helping out a brotha

[ellaguru]

Thanks so much for the replies everyone... So with the pitch function will it slow the sample down enough to fit into a specific measure( like the pitch knob on the esx)? Or does it only change the sound while keeping the length the same? I use the pitch knob on the esx constantly to squeeze a sample in or drag it to fit... I swear I understood that from someone here but I could be wrong...

Thanks again for helping out a brotha

tim
i got a bad new for you: only the sp202 make pitch like the old school way.(or like esx1 if you like it). all the other sp keep the same lenght of the sample. the sp505 got a pitch function (not an fx) wich is an algorythmical threatment of a sample: the lenght stay the same also in this case.
in other words: the sp are conceived to do time stretching more than old school pitch...

[timfromtexas]

sorry to keep asking more and more questions but i feel like im getting a lot of good advice... so thanks

so in the case of time stretch vs pitch.... on the 404 pretty much as soon as you start to tweak the bpm it starts getting all wacky and outer space sounding... is that the same way the time stretch works on the 606...

chop and set the loop points where you like them (just like on the 404)

then the bpm is 90 and you want it 101

turn the bpm to 101 and its stretched (googley sounding or not?)

or is it more like if the sample is a weird length can you tell the 606 i want it 2 bars long evenly? i feel like thats asking the machine a lot but the friggen esx does it without burping..

[ellaguru]

so in the case of time stretch vs pitch.... on the 404 pretty much as soon as you start to tweak the bpm it starts getting all wacky and outer space sounding... is that the same way the time stretch works on the 606...

from what i remember is the same thing as the other sp: it not sounds great when you pitch the sample; but the 606 got the Master button wich helps you to make sounds better the pitched sample...

chop and set the loop points where you like them (just like on the 404)

first thing: there are not loop points on the sp606/505, only start/end points....but if you mean just things like "mark" (like on 303/404 etc), then the 606/505 got some "divide points", but the autochop, as the word itself said this, is automathic, so is the machine that decide the divide points; you can however change the "resolution" parameter to have more or less divide points; pay attention to what i'm saying too: the autochop works best for "rythmic" samples (drum loops and rythmic sounding loops), it's good when the sound of the sample is not continuous; if it is the case, the autochop will chop with difficulty the sample; the autochop is not "mathematic" (like in the mpc or the "slice" in the esx1), it is more a "sounding" feature. if the sound of the sample is very distorted and continuos (for example: a distroted synth) sometimes the autochop will not work...the autochop is also a matter of the volume of the sample...
in the sp505 you can edit the chops (the divide points), not in the 606...

however, you can manually do this work with the 606 (but outside the autochop function)

then the bpm is 90 and you want it 101

turn the bpm to 101 and its stretched (googley sounding or not?)

or is it more like if the sample is a weird length can you tell the 606 i want it 2 bars long evenly? i feel like thats asking the machine a lot but the friggen esx does it without burping..

from what i remember the 606, like the 505, work with "phrases" and "single" samples...so, if you play live you can time stretch samples, if you play patterns there are 2 possibilities:1)with "phrases", the samples follow the time of the patterns, so they will br stretchedto that time 2)with "singles" the samples follow their own time, not the one of the patterns

[timfromtexas]

damn i wish they still had them in stores.... theres answeres to the questions ive asked but i wont REALLY know until ive dropped the cash...

thanks for all the help... im still trying to figure out if its REALLY worth it it sucks how all the sps are all different its not really like any of them are upgraded a step at a time.. they pick and choose features to put on or leave out of each machine..

[korakios]

Could you tell us any other equipment you use?!also if you use computer the 606 would be the best choise...

[ellaguru]

Could you tell us any other equipment you use?!also if you use computer the 606 would be the best choise...

100% quote
the sp606 is better with a pc...

[timfromtexas]

I use an esx and a 404sx now.. I was planning on using the 606 alone AND with the computer using reaper or something else I can find for "cheap".. I suppose most of what I'm looking for the 606 to do could easily be done in the program (time stretch or that pitch drag I was looking for and love on the esx).. I was just hoping to not have to be chained to my computer and that I would be able to to the stuff in box.. I had already messed around with the 404 and reaper (non midi just recording in) and it works but it's setup in a single track basically... When you use the usb and program with the 606 does it do a lot of the work for you as far as seperating tracks?

Newb alert

Thanks ahead of time

[ellaguru]

the 606 comes with a software created by the same label wich created Sonar software.
i never use it 'cause, as you said, i didnt wanted to be chained to the pc...
maybe it does what you ask, many people says that 606 was built to work with the pc...
...this makes me think about Maschine...mmmm...

[korakios]

The program is P606 created by Cakewalk..you could check "kinetic 2":
http://www.cakewalk.com/products/Kinetic/default.asp
It's more advanced than P606 and it is designed to work with sp606...i mean that in other programs like reaper,reason,ableton live you can't use the 606 as a controller easily ,so you must check kinetic to see if you like it...if you can't find it easily pm me

Also you can check the 606 forum to see some more opinions!