btw i know i've left out a shit load of producers but i was just typing off the top of my head and those are producers on my mind at the minute.

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tricky
portishead
massive attack
doug wimbish, skip mcdonald, keith leblanc (shugar hill gang/the maffia)
phil spector
brian wilson
joe meek
alex patterson (the orb)
kh stochausen


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timbaland
kanye west

these two did so much more for electronic music than people may ever give credit for

mixing plastikman (on ableton ) is so much fun because of the "drifting" elements he always has to it

its enough to forgive him for all that twitter nonsense....almost

they're great.
respect
you say good about them. only the fact to have them in the "producers" thread is ok for me. it makes my day.

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joey beltram
chemical brothers
kevin shields (my bloody valentine)
jesus & mary chain
john martin (without him beatles not beatles)
goldie
4 hero
a guy called gerald
808 state
andy weatherhall (the same thing for beatles is for Primal Scream)
klf (great!)


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There's like a new dynamic and there's almost sects now- like an artist/producer is different from an engineer/producer- Dilla/Rick Rubin

You guys will LOVE this interview with engineer/producer Bob Power:
http://clivedavisdept.tisch.nyu.edu/obj ... apeop.html

hmm what do you mean?
like the difference between a promoter and engineer and an artist? and the artists collection of the word "producer" even though it means "artist maker" so to speak?

its a good topic for discussion...

i would say that from an engineer/producer perspective the music is always secondary to sound quality and marketability...like timbaland.
he is a "real producer" even though he steals tracks, because he makes artists...still a giant douche though

a producer for a jazz band may ask the band to cut corners in the studio as well, overlapping takes instead of getting it done right in one natural take. My drummer friend was real pissed when his pop band went into this big name studio where alicia keys supposedly had recorded her last album and the engineer and producer wanted to do stupid alterations to save time and money
IE: faking a guitar solo by blending them together in pro tools
pitch adjustment on the singing
and warping some drums in time

they weren't a sloppy band by any means, but given a few more hours they probably could have nailed the take instead of fixing it afterwards...

I mean like Dilla produced beats, then had a producer/engineer mix them (i'm sure many time they sat & tracked together). Rick Rubin spends more time guiding an artist through recording an album, working with arrangements in a studio and being present during tracking (I know RR still makes some beats). Then if you want to play semantics further- there's the "executive producer" who usually is the one kicking up the money for the sessions- sounds like your friend's group needs a better executive producer- ha

Did you read the Bob Power interview ?

rubin launced, with a friend (i don't remeber his name) the def jam recordings (after became def american)...artists like public enemy, run dmc and LL cool j were produced by the 2 man...plus rubin was fan of metal and hardcore punk and so in their label there were Slayer (speed metal maximum!!) and the beastie boys (wich came initially from the ny hc punk scene...); he also produced great albums of red hot chili peppers, flipper and johnny cash...
didn't knew that he makes beats...

Yes he started Def Jam with some guy named Russell Simmons.
These days RR isn't hunched over an SP, but he did 99 Problems 5 years ago. You can bet he programmed drum machines & layered samples on those albums you mentioned that were HipHop- when he produces Danzig it's more of the traditional form of producing. By the way the scratching on LL's Going Back to Cali is some of the best recorded scratching ever committed to record- not the tricks just the sound- damn that tune sounds good.

If you want the definitive Def Jam era Rick with all his flavors go cop the "Less Than Zero" soundtrack

i'll have to respectfully disagree about the scratching in going back to cali

in hip-hop the term "producer" is tossed around a lot and because of that it's meaning has warped and changed in the last 20 years. before what we call a producer would be the musician or the dj or beatmaker. nowadays we call the person who makes the beat the producer. "let's not argue over semantics" though.

although the interpretation of the word does cause confusion. for example rick rubin does not produce in the typical sense that we imagine a hip-hop producer producing. he over-sees the work. the same as dr. dre now. he started out making beats but even on 2001 his role was more over seeing everything, arranging musicians and getting them to carry out and perform his vision of the music.

maybe we can say the same for the therm "r'n'b": today is used for black music production but the origin came from '60...the same for "progressive":it started in the '70 with the progressive rock, but some guys called "progressive" some kind of house music in the '90...
the misunderstandings...

Wat up everybody? new in here!
My current top beat producers are:
1. Exile
2. Samiyam
3. Adamatic
4. Dabrye
5. Mociphet
6. Qwest Quartz Qrew
7. Dr. Who Dat?(jniero jarel)
8. Olerud
9. Dilla
10. Dangermouse