Kaoss Pad...?

ghost bazz · Post by **ghost bazz** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:11 am

Waddup fam? I've been checking this thing out recently... the effects look quite dope, but I'm wondering how useful it is as a sample based production tool? Anyone use it in a similar application to the SP... or is this even possible? Most of the youtube vids I've found are pretty weak, and more dance-music oriented (not that that's what makes em weak)... but I'm wondering how it would fare as a tool for making hip hop oriented tracks.

Does it have a decent amount of sample banks & sample time?

How easy is it to resample?

Does it have a multi-track sequencer?

Any help or perspective on this machine is greatly appreciated!

JayLost · Post by **JayLost** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:32 am

i know man thats what sucks about all the 555 vids...most them are that way to.

timfromtexas · Post by **timfromtexas** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:41 am

the friggin electribe (esx-1) could make some bangin shit too and all the videos are garbage lame ass techno... very few people make anything close to a chill hip hop beat on that thing... i feel your pain

kaos pads seem dope.. i screwed around with one at the shop not too long ago.. seems cool..

PHeMoX · Post by **PHeMoX** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:02 pm

Very cool indeed, but the sound it too recognizable for my taste to be honest.

Especially the various filter FX.

Still, it's awesome for live shows, a good bunch of useful things you can do with it, especially when it comes to more electro kind of music.

ColeRockLee · Post by **ColeRockLee** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:23 am

I don't think it has a sequencer at all. There are only 4 pads for sampling. Does have a beatslicing option where it takes a loop from a pad and lays it out across the 8 buttons at the top. I always read the manual, check harmony central, and sonicstate reviews when I'm researching new gear.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:02 pm

i have one

its a totally different type of sampling
although you can save the samples if you wish its made so its instantaneous sampling

say you have a loop or song playing through

set the bpm and loop length

voila you got a loop without the nonsense of saving it to a pad

or hit the pad you saving it to twice to grab a one shot. this is awesome if theres a sub bass drop or snare sound that you want to repeat or trigger

but where the fun starts is having sources like the sp 555 or some other synth. the loop capture on the 555 gives you the bpm where as the kp3 needs the bpm before you start the loop. so they work very nicely with eachother

ghost bazz · Post by **ghost bazz** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:34 pm

ahhh... very interesting. Thanks for the replies. Sounds like it's more of a live performance effects box than a sample based production tool... still looks cool tho.

JayLost · Post by **JayLost** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:45 pm

Very cool indeed, but the sound it too recognizable

i guess thats why i dont play with the kaossiltor anymore really..ha i just realized this

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:26 am

oh yea just dont use any of the synths on the kp3 or you will look and sound like a tool.

ghost bazz · Post by **ghost bazz** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:11 am

hurlingdervish wrote:oh yea just dont use any of the synths on the kp3 or you will look and sound like a tool.

Uh... do you have some beats up somewhere... a myspace page or something... I'm curious to hear what your music sounds like.

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:47 am

hurlingdervish wrote:i have one

its a totally different type of sampling
although you can save the samples if you wish its made so its instantaneous sampling

say you have a loop or song playing through

set the bpm and loop length

voila you got a loop without the nonsense of saving it to a pad

or hit the pad you saving it to twice to grab a one shot. this is awesome if theres a sub bass drop or snare sound that you want to repeat or trigger

but where the fun starts is having sources like the sp 555 or some other synth. the loop capture on the 555 gives you the bpm where as the kp3 needs the bpm before you start the loop. so they work very nicely with eachother

so could i connect my 505 to a kp3 and, via midi, start rec on the kp3 and pattern play on the 505 with ONE button, from either machine. if someone knows, for a fact, that this can be done (and preferably has done it; if you can do it with the 555 that's the same in my book); I will buy a kp3. also if you7ve done it, would you please explain how???

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:01 pm

you dont need to midi sync it

it has tap tempo and AUTO BPM. it can automatically get pretty damn close to the tempo of the stuff playing through it.

from there you just hit sampling and designate 1-16 bar loop and then the pad you want to record it to. resampling is easy to just hit shift+sampling and designate a pad and it will record that pad the input and the effects applied.

i dunno why you need one button, you got two hands

the loopers are what make this thing a beast. once you get the bpm select from one of 10 or so loopers, which are like the djfx on the 555 except quantized. so say if pressed you finger on the right side of the pad it would be like 1 bar loop then 1/2 then 1/4 then 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 moving left on the x-axis

the y-axis changes depending on the patch it, it could be pitch, hp, lp, bp etc.

as far as hip hop goes i dont think youd get much use out of it except for grabbing samples easier.

but if you like to mangle beats or dj this thing is golden

ColeRockLee · Post by **ColeRockLee** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:21 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:but if you like to mangle beats or dj this thing is golden

hmmm... I'm thinkin maybe an SP-404 and a KP3 and I'd be set. I'm all about some audio manglenation.

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:06 am

thanks for the reply!
and all that is good to know (though i knew most of it already). but the reason i would need one button is so they would sync perfectly. when you have four parts and not all parts start on the one it's better to have midi sync so that it always starts at the right spot, some parts start with silence. not a big deal. i read up on it last night. i know it can't send the message i want it to but maybe it could recieve, it doesn't say in the manual (it says i have to look at the accompanying cd-rom). anyway, i also have two feet and the rc-50 DOES do what i want, it's just more expensive.

see my goal is to create beats on my sp-505 cuz it's easier for me and sample them as loops on the 404. i could just sample straight on but these days i'm becoming a bit of a perfectionist and i want the parts to equal the whole. when i am constructing a complex beat it really does matter.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:12 am

you lost me... haha