How Mushrooms can save the world

iG9 · Post by **iG9** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:22 pm

DXM is in no way an easy way to get into psychedelics. At heroic doses it's the strongest shit ever. Start with shrooms, then acid if you can find it. DXM at high doses is only for the brave and the foolish. Bizarre beyond belief that they put that shit in cough syrup.

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:52 pm

well my friend knew how to take it back out of syrup which led a time when i didn't really know how much i was taking, but it was alot and it was bad.

shrooms all the way if want a starter, just go light.

Euclid Ov Oåklånd · Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:54 pm

DXM breaks down into a narcotic pain killer around 5x's stronger than morphine which sedates the body and causes out of body experiences.
People die from it all the time, it's a poor persons replacement codeine syrup with promethazine these days. Don't pull a Pimp C

HomeMadeInstrumentals · Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:50 am

lol dam...this dxm is sounding more and more like evil in a bottle the more people explain it. stayin away from that shit

all my past experiences with substance experimentation has been with the regular/typical mj and eccstacy....im so much more curious about psychadelics unique effects. one day........ :twisted:

space.age.sound · Post by **space.age.sound** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:05 am

Euclid Ov Oåklånd wrote:DXM breaks down into a narcotic pain killer around 5x's stronger than morphine

where'd you hear that?

Dextrorphan (the active metabolite of DXM) has no analgesic effect.

iG9 · Post by **iG9** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:19 pm

You used to be able to buy the powder online. Talk about not knowing how much you're taking. At least there's only so much cough syrup you can choke down.

Euclid Ov Oåklånd · Post by **Euclid Ov Oåklånd** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:26 pm

When Dextromethorphan enters the body it becomes dextrorphan which is a cough suppressant and also levorphanol which is the analgesic. Metabolism causes the chemical breakdown of DXM into these two compounds, oh and DXM is a NMDA antagonist like PCP or Ketamine which causes the dissociative effect.

space.age.sound · Post by **space.age.sound** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:19 am

When Dextromethorphan enters the body it becomes dextrorphan which is a cough suppressant and also levorphanol which is the analgesic.

Levorphanol is not a metabolite of DXM,

levorphanol's laevo isomer (levorphan) is the one that is 5x more powerful than morphine,

dxm *is* the dextrorotary isomer of levorphanol.

They are related, but different. one does not come from the other, they have a common parent (methorphan).

Deeper understanding of some of the differences you're dealing with..

As a comparison, two molecules which are nearly identical and relevant to this discussion are levorphan and dextrorphan.

Levorphan and dextrorphan are enantiomers of each other, meaning that while they are 'mirror' images of each other. . they are not the same thing, and cannot both be produced by a simple reaction from the same precursor.

Its kind of like. . the difference between your right hand and your left hand. .. you would have to rebuild the whole thing in order for one be truly like the other - changing one of the fingers doesnt change the fact that it is still either a left hand or a right hand.

DXM in medication is deliberately enantiopure (contains only one of the enantiomers) for the specific reason that, they do not want people taking DXM to be taking levorphan/levorphanol too. It is both unneccessary in their treatment and unneccessarily dangerous!

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:37 am

you know, these conversations are way better

on weeeeeeeeeeeeed. man i would love some, i've super soba for a while. damn. one thing that's funny is i used to care about all the compounds too but somewhere down the road i said fuggit. all i care is the gov leaves naturally occuring gifts alone. that's my piece, peace.

Euclid Ov Oåklånd · Post by **Euclid Ov Oåklånd** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:50 pm

Right on, Space.Age.Sound thanks for all the info. These days I just smoke a little weed or drink some beer occasionally. But so many kids are using these powerful chemicals without any knowledge of them, so thanks for setting me straight on the DXM.

space.age.sound · Post by **space.age.sound** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:19 am

no worries.

there's too much stuff goin on for one person to know it all. . i didnt know half that shit until well after I stopped chuggin the syrup.

these days im much the same, prefer to chill rather than go off into other dimensions. . been there. . got the t-shirt and some sketchy faded memories :lol:

Euclid Ov Oåklånd · Post by **Euclid Ov Oåklånd** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:14 pm

Word.

That's why we need a culture in world that teaches kids to respect and learn from their elders and also have the adults not feel threatened by the new ideas of youth.