Modern Digging?

[Dj Frantic]

I love to get sued, phuck clearance..

amen brutha !

Me personally I try to judge people who make music differently from me...unless they are doing some stupid stuff like diddy move and basically jacking a whole track...hook and all...and rapping over it... that is just wack and uncreative.

But me personally I would only sample from analog sources. Not even really cause it sounds better..even tho I think it does...but mainly because thats the way I like to do it. Going to record stores and thrift shops and diggings up those gems is a huge part of it for me. I love it to death. Sampling would lose alot of its appeal for me if that part of it wasnt there.

But to each his own. If you absolutely hate digging and would rather just go buy a sample CD or download some loops more power to you as long as your being creative with it and just trying to sell some isntrumentals or w/e.

As far as CD turntables go...I cant front...I hate them...lol. I dont mind that numark CD so much and I would actually like to purchase those numark hydrid tables just to lighten my load of wax when I play out. But cutting on a CD player and on a turntables is just way different. especially on those pioneer joints. It just does not take the same level of skill at all. So I cant give a tablist who plays exclusively on Cd players the same level of respect I give a tablist that plays on vinyl because he simply hasnt earned it. Now that I think about it, I guess the same thing goes for those guys who dont dig up their own stuff. Im not mad at em about it but they simply havent put in the work the diggers have.

[Hot Sauce]

i hear a lot of people say "it don't mean shit what you used as long as the end result is hot". and thats true for the listener. for somebody who is purely listens to music for enjoyment then they don't care.


but im a gear fanatic. i love everything to do with music production. i could read that shit for days. i am fascinated by how sound works. and for me as someone who creates music i feel that the creative process is also important. eg. what i do to make the music, how i go about doing it, everything involved in it. its all part of music production for me. if im just marketting a product then that stuff aint gonna really matter.

i also have the utmost respect for my equipment and samples. by that i mean that i believe im just a vessal so-to-speak for the music. it already exists. whatever drum pattern i come up with, that already existed. i just put it down. im just a tool and the stuff i use (sampler, synths) are also tools and are part of creating the music so i respect them as well.


i make music so my appreciation of music is different from somebody who doesn't participate. i think that once you get into something it takes a bit of the original magic away but you appreciate other things more.

eg. samples. when hearing something like DJ Shadow Endtroducing.... or prestige (dope album by jel and mr. dibbs) you hear all the samples and they are all vinyl or tape sources. it makes you go "damn where did they find that crazy shit!!". with the internet i hear vocal samples being used a lot and they are so easy to come by. you just think the person copped it from youtube.

i think the internet makes it easier in one sense but in another it makes you even dig deeper to find the rare shit that nobodies heard.

i don't use kung-fu samples that much in my beats, but thats because although i like kung-fu films i don't love them that much. im much more into shit like anime and weird sci-fi b-movies so thats where i take my vocal samples from. my point is (in regards to a point i made in an earlier post) is that with the influx of easily available media it becomes very difficult to carve out any individual personality or style.

what i mean by that is.
i can go to a streaming site and just cop a load of kung-fu samples. though em on a couple of beats and be like thats my style. before if you heard that you would know i had to work hard to get those and that was me but now anybody can just get shit so easily.

[PHeMoX]

i can go to a streaming site and just cop a load of kung-fu samples. though em on a couple of beats and be like thats my style. before if you heard that you would know i had to work hard to get those and that was me but now anybody can just get shit so easily.

I see what you mean, yeah, basically I would prefer to stay away from those kind of sample packs. I mean drum loop samples would be one thing, but the filler samples, effects sample stuff and vocals should not come from a sample pack... because that sort of feels fake in a way.

If it sounds good, it sounds good, so from a musical point of view I don't mind if people use them, but I wouldn't use them myself.

I do really like to search for samples no one has used yet and as a result I have to dig for them, on the other hand if I've found something really cool along the way and it turns out someone else used it too, then I don't really care so much as I probably won't flip it the way they did anyways.

As far as CD turntables go...I cant front...I hate them...lol.

I agree with you, the skill involved is different. By the way, then you'll going to love this :p ; http://www.gadgetreview.com/2008/05/tou ... #more-3069

[cartesia]

I love the internet for its immediacy. . .i have an idea, fire up google, 5 minutes later im back at work in my DAW layering that tibetan throat singing sample with my bassline (this happened yesterday)

Now, it would have been intensely frustrating for me to not have been able to get that sample right there, right when I had the idea 'this would sound awesome'.

But despite this immediate fulfillment. . .I feel a lack of soul.. experience, etc...

Maybe the fact that I can't stand to not be immediately fulfilled is a sign that I'm not in control of myself, I'm an information junky. - No longer living for the current moment, instead hanging onto hopes of future happiness when the song is completed and i can listen to it and get joy from that.


Thinking about the journey that would have ensued, had I instead had to take a recorder, travel to a monastery, find a monk who could throatsing, meet them, record them. . . This to me is something that I would very much rather do..

Just like going searching for a record, going into the world and finding sounds, gives things experience, memory, emotion, etc etc...

Of course, being addicted to the glow of my computer screen, I might never go and do any of these things...

So in closing,

Immediate sample availability and replicability makes more people able to produce more music. . . but this only helps those who are only interested in the end product. .. for the ones whose interest lies in the experience of producing itself.. . downloading a sample very much kills it.

[drewzle]

in my DAW layering that tibetan throat singing sample with my bassline (this happened yesterday)

have you used the Delay Lama?
it's a free VST
http://www.audionerdz.nl/index2.htm

great for throat singing, and great controls to map to the padKontrol's X/Y

[inhouseprducer]

im from the old school of music production, but to me it doesnt matter where you get the sounds from its just how you use it.

[jbl]

HA HA!
pirate rights

[arm]

Hello, i'm new on the forum. Happy owner of SP-555 :]

[Dj Frantic]

welcome

[Euclid Ov Oåklånd]

Whaddup and welcome to the nexus of the universe.

[Huph]

On clearing samples: I try to clear everything, and I've succeeded a few times. In most cases, artists/managers/labels just won't even respond, but at least you tried, right? And with gmail, you have an unimpeachable record of that communication forever. The few samples I have successfully cleared were cases where I could get in touch with the actual artists, who almost always happily allow me to use a sample for free, until the day the songs start making money. It's referred to as "Laissez Faire" Clearance (It's French for "Hands off"). Basically, the owner is saying that I won't be sued for using the sample, but if I start making a significant amount of money, then we have to rearrange our agreement. I don't know if any of you guys know of the band Fugazi, but they've gleefully cleared samples for us, and they actually listen to and like the music! The fact that they own their label and all their master recordings helps out immensely.

About New School vs. Old School:
I can't really add much that hasn't been said, but I'd like to mention that I use both CDJs and Turntables in my sets. I use them if I'm just spinning, and I use them if I'm doing Turntablist routines. All the time. They do feel different, but scratching is all about "breaking" a sound and using it in a new way, how can their even be a "right" way to do that?

I have a song over at my blog ( hosey.terapad.com ) called "Walkie Talkie" that pretty blatantly uses a sample from a CD along with vinyl scratching of a horn part. It's in the second playlist on the first page, maybe 4th song or so. You guys can check it out and hear a pretty noticeable difference bettween the two sources. The Drums and Bass are from a CD, the horns are all from vinyl, and I think it's pretty obvious to hear the difference in source material. Not to say that one is better, the CD samples are very crisp and clear, the vinyl is a little "dusty" sounding. I like stuff like that.

[Hot Sauce]

They do feel different, but scratching is all about "breaking" a sound and using it in a new way, how can their even be a "right" way to do that?

yeah i agree with you for simple cutting but for more complex styles i can definately notice the difference. tech hasn't caught up yet in regards to latency which is a balls when scratching revolves around intricate record movements.

[PHeMoX]

tech hasn't caught up yet in regards to latency which is a balls when scratching revolves around intricate record movements.

Yeah, I really don't understand why the bigger companies don't choose for more advanced memory and basically just newer hardware. I believe the tech has caught up, but companies still stick to older hardware for some reason (reduced costs I guess?).

Take for example the 512mb ram on the MV-8800 if you max it out, it's old SDRAM and incredibly difficult to get nowadays. If only they would support DDR2 memory it would be a heck of a difference, especially in speed and performance.

[Euclid Ov Oåklånd]

I believe that a successful digital version of analog turntables can be made and eventually will come to the average consumer. I just haven't seen it done yet.

[blast1]

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