Sequencing without microscope??

[Dan'Sound]

Hello all.

I successfully installed my P606 software last night after many, many months without it, hoping that it would give me a quicker way of programing and creating sequences, using samples already stored on the compactflash card, into the four track sequencer, but alas i could not get it to even fire samples within the SP606 let alone get anywhere near the sequencer.

Can P606 do this? From all that i have read on forums it cannot.
Is there a patch in there that triggers internal sounds?
Or is there another program that can upload sequences to the tracks, NOT to the sample pads?


only because, In my experience loops that are triggered from pads will evenually run slightly out of sync and need to be retriggered, which leaves a huge space for (my) human error and misstiming. especially if you are syncopating alot. and you very quickly run out of the 8 notes that you get.

So far i have been programing using either the microscope editor and adding each individual note one at a time, or in real time then cleaning up the frames in microscope, and i have to say microscope is starting to really do my head in (i spent 15 minutes laying out a very basic kick drum pattern the other day just to see if it sounded any good, and it didn't sound any good at all).

I got really excited when i fired up P606 and saw the drum kit patches, and their large grid style layout, being able to see multiple layers and different sounds on the one screen etc, but it wasn't what i though it was at all.


I LOVE my SP606. It is great for sequence playback, live drumming and percussion, short vocals and wierd trippy samples when DJ'ing, chopping up and rearranging songs, quick live loops when i get together with my musician friends, or a playback device if you sample an entire song (or 16 songs per bank) and have them sitting there ready to go at any second, BUT programing with MICROSCOPE is killing me.

Any thoughts Please????

Thanks for taking the time to read this, sorry that i blabbed on a bit.
Dan'Sound

[enossified]

I successfully installed my P606 software last night a hoping that it would give me a quicker way of programing and creating sequences, using samples already stored on the compactflash card.

Can P606 do this? From all that i have read on forums it cannot.

No, P606 is a self contained music making environment (like Reason). What makes it special is that it was co-designed with the SP-606 so that you can use the SP-606 to control it. But P606 cannot control the SP-606!

The idea is you can create music in P606 and then sample it into the SP-606.

In my experience loops that are triggered from pads will evenually run slightly out of sync and need to be retriggered, which leaves a huge space for (my) human error and misstiming. especially if you are syncopating a lot.

This is what quantizing and step programming are for. It is sobering to many people to discover their rhythm isn't quite as good as they thought it was

you very quickly run out of the 8 notes that you get.

This is what resampling is for.

I got really excited when i fired up P606 and saw the drum kit patches, and their large grid style layout, being able to see multiple layers and different sounds on the one screen etc, but it wasn't what i though it was at all.

Again, you can create loops in P606 and import them to the SP with Ext Seq Sampling. You are limited to the sounds inside P606, though. However, P606 can load WAV files into it's
loop player so you can export samples you already have on the SP606 into P606, build up your loop and then sample it back into the SP606.

I don't own an SP-606 (yet) so maybe someone else here can describe how to actually do this.

[PHeMoX]

So far i have been programing using either the microscope editor and adding each individual note one at a time, or in real time then cleaning up the frames in microscope, and i have to say microscope is starting to really do my head in (i spent 15 minutes laying out a very basic kick drum pattern the other day just to see if it sounded any good, and it didn't sound any good at all).

Use quantize, learn how to use microscope editing as something in which you fix small errors, not compose entire songs. And last but not least, definitely work on your timing. I don't spend much time in microscope editing at all.

and you very quickly run out of the 8 notes that you get.

I'm actually not quite following you on this, but you probably meant 8 voices of polyphony. It's enough for me and resampling indeed can give a bit more room, still it would mean stacking samples on top of eachother. Do you use a lot of stereo samples? If yes, switch to mono.

This is what quantizing and step programming are for. It is sobering to many people to discover their rhythm isn't quite as good as they thought it was

Actually those are nothing more but time-savers, as they usually don't really 'fix' the errors, they only fix the play-back of those errors.

I don't own an SP-606 (yet)

No offense, but to honest with you this bothered me a bit on the fp forums... I don't remember where exactly, but there were some things you said that weren't correct.

[soundexp334]

I have yet to use the p606 software, as I never use anything preset anyway. If you cant control the sp606 with the software then it really sounds useless to me. Yes it would be nice to have more polyphony but luckily I have another sampler to help out.

[Dan'Sound]

Thanks people.

Excuse my lack of jargon for a second, Quantize is when you tap out locations in real time, yes?
I do use it, and am getting better with my timing.


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This is what quantizing and step programming are for. It is sobering to many people to discover their rhythm isn't quite as good as they thought it was

Actually those are nothing more but time-savers, as they usually don't really 'fix' the errors, they only fix the play-back of those errors.


This is how i feel aswel.
I used to use step programing to insert phrases into the sequencer, and it is handy to use to keep stuff in time, but not being able to trigger from the middle of a sample means you cannot cut up a phrase like you can on the sequencer, losing alot of dynamics during the buildups, and downs.

thanks for the words. I'm gonna keep my eye on this site. heaps of tips.

Happy programing.
Dan

[PHeMoX]

Excuse my lack of jargon for a second, Quantize is when you tap out locations in real time, yes?
I do use it, and am getting better with my timing.

Yeah, quantize is a correction system that makes sure that your hits are on beat when they were in fact slightly off beat. If your timing is off by a lot, it means either a lot of editing later on or starting over again.

[Dan'Sound]

"Yeah, quantize is a correction system that makes sure that your hits are on beat when they were in fact slightly off beat. If your timing is off by a lot, it means either a lot of editing later on or starting over again."


Really? very nice. I did not know that function was in there. Just looking at the manual, (606 is at home) that must be on the 'realtime recording standby' screen. 'qtz rezo'? I will check that out tonight.

can't wait to get home, very exciting. I think you have just changed my life for the better, and saved me hours of my time.

Thank you very much PHeMoX.




and all that happy stuff.