Check this out;
http://blog.discmakers.com/2013/01/copy ... ign=EA1304

Fairly good read for us sample heavies!

Nice article, duder! Some good links from there as well.

The article reads like common sense. Don't try to profit other's intellectual property etc. Would've been nice if they tackled the angle of sound mangling to argue the sample was made to sound like someone else rather than being the copyrighted song.

The 'David Bowie vs Vanilla Ice' case is interesting in that regard, but we gotta be a bit more complex than that. 1 note was pitched different changing the scale from Dorian to Phrygian (or whatever it was) won't cut the mustard anymore, for better and for worse.

Good points in there, though nothing I didn't already know more FYI fwiw, kwim? I thought the links were decent as well. Definitely very vanilla.

most have probably seen it, but it's always worth mentioning, that interview with vanilla ice where he explains why his song is different than under pressure is hysterical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s0hEi8zhmg

Yea in all fairness though vanilla ice took and still takes a lot of bullshit for that he shouldnt've / shouldn't -- looping shit up was just a huge part of hip hop then..I remember mainstream media back then being like " this just in-- ice ice baby is actually under pressure " like it was some huge scandal. A lot of classics back then were straight loops of popular songs..off the top of my head brand nubians "slow down"-- an edie brikel loop from " what I am" and nikki d' s " daddies little girl" come to mind--susanne vega' s "toms diner". Obviously eminems done it more than a few times throughout his career too..the aerosmith joint,toy soldiers,stan,etc. Idk I'll always look at loops as an art within itself..its all about taking a chunk of music and making people hear it in a new way,putting it in a new context.slightly off topic but I never understood why vanilla ice took so much shit for that ,especially within hip hop circles.

the issue was he was in denial and wouldnt give them credit.
all the while being a douchebag about it

Being a little bit of a douche- maybe..but u can tell in this interview it was kinda some good natured douchism. Especially w him being singled out like that. Plus he said he would have no problem giving credit,don't see what the issue was,really. I mean I'm not some huge vanilla ice supporter by any means,but it is what it is. If u think about it,using this song was a pretty genius move by the producer..a somewhat obscure glam rock song flipped into a hit. Diggers weren't exactly knocking down doors to get at David Bowie records ,and the song was definitely not something tailor made for the dancefloors like some hammer or pm dawn shit. When the record was made they were just some kids barely out of highschool making music,doubt if they ever imagined how far it would go anyway. Edit-- btw,at the time-- the issue for the most part wasn't not giving credit. The main issue was the fact that they used the sample at all. People actually thought that the goal was to simply steal the song w hopes that no one would notice or some shit..which obviously couldn't have been the case...but that's why it was such a huge scandal in the mainstream when it was " discovered". You can sense this tone very strongly in the mtv clip above too,even though they do mention other artists using samples. Most people had no clue whatsoever about anything hip hop,or how the music was created.

So how did producers such as DJ Shadow, Prefuse 73 and Madlib release their work on CD. They have albums that contain 323424123 samples, 134 commercial/videogame/add samples and so on? How the F did they clear all that work?

I mean if any lawyer would delve into Stones Throw records and do some research they could sue the shit out of them or am I wrong?

Hell yea,the definitely could,same can be said for mad "underground" artists that make livings using uncleared samples. That's the the thing though,these artists and label heads make pretty modest livings for the most part. not really a huge ammount of money to be made in a lawsuit when u factor in all the hours needed to scour new/old releases for samples ,and court costs,etc.Sample clearence lawyers have always focused on major label projects/ artists because there's a lot of money to be made...which is why now majors know better and go straight to a sample clearance person when any kind of remotely recognizable sample is used. But yea man most underground indie cats aren't giving anyone credit at all(which I honestly don't have a problem w in most cases) and obviously go out of their way to keep records they use a secret for as long as possible.

I remember Stones Throw having some problems with the Jaylib album. They had to change the beat for 'The Red' for the re-issue resulting in a track nowhere near as good.

I think they'd already pressed up the re-issue before the call came. Wonder how much $$$ they lost? Felt for them on that one.

jaylib official did not sell that many albums. it was semi successful but not nearly as much as madvillain or quas unseen. technically it was a borderline flop based off the artists involved and how dope the bootleg version was

All right, here's another good read from the same place. This shows why sample royalties are so important if you really think about it. I for one, say make music that you make free. At least until we run all the corporate fat cats outta town. Perform local. Get live and demand a part of the door. Or just throw your own shows. This is the real way to make ¥$€£.

Anyway here's your link:
http://blog.discmakers.com/2013/01/lets ... ign=EA1305

I picked up this promo CD that was sitting near the register at my barber shop and was some alright hip hop stuff that was sample-based.
It was just 2 tracks on the pressing. But the interesting thing about the back cover was the artist had a listing of all the samples he used with the heading "Used without permission" above it all.
Made me crack a smile.
There was a rundown of like 30-something samples.

Sample clearance is nothing new. It's been a problem for Hip Hop artists since the 80s.
I thought the title of Tev95's beat tape "Crime Loops" was crafty. Plus, it's a dope tape.

On another note, that link is to the write-up Audible Hype had a couple years ago. There's a lot of good reads on that site regarding DIY music marketing. Sadly, the site kind of fell off and nothing new has been on it for a while.