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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:29 pm 
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bad salsa
do i smell cheetos?

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you are getting better, way more energy then in your first track.
Still you kinda' lacking flow, but it's just like every other art form... keep on rapping and you'll improve your skills. I'm not rapper though, don't take my word for it.



Oh and some mic tips:
-get a pop filter (about 10 bucks) to prevent that 'pop' sound when you blow in the mic (usually happens when you say something that starts with a P)

-get a mic stand or mount your mic somewhere to get a steady volume, right now you are getting louder and quieter all the time.

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oh and fucking stop using that annoying kids voice, it sounds very cheesy.

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lol ok i will!!!
thx for the tips

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I'm no rapper either, but I'll post my thoughts anyways.

First and foremost don't be afraid to rap and don't be afraid to screw up, basically you need to pump up your attitude of 'not giving a fuck' of how it sounds early on. I'm currently practicing singing (not rapping) myself and I have to same freaking problem. I'm afraid my neighbors will hear me sing. But actually I should pump up my own 'I don't give a fuck' attitude to, because quite obviously music was meant to be heard. Rap too. :)

I really think it's quite good already, eventhough I'm confident eventually you will be able to do a lot better. Certain phrases you rap are already spot-on timing-wise, but you need to work on accentuating the ends of a line and the more important words in your 'punch lines'.

There's no 'how to rap' tutorial on the web as far as I know, at least no good ones, but perhaps the easiest is when you find a song you like from someone else and try to do his rap.

Don't listen to the song like you normally would, but pay attention to when the rapper speaks louder, when he breaks verses and when he stops. More often than not the music will dictate when to start and stop rapping in a song. Certain drums breaks will give you time to breath so to speak.

I guess more volume and practicing your flow are the most important things for now, but keep doing this and you'll get better each time.

That's a fact by the way. 8)


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heres my tip for recording rap vocals. like the guy phemox said listen for where other artists recorded their verses in sections, like every other line or every two lines maybe even just putting in the one line that has a heavy punch line to it, but either way it really helps for getting the most out of your voice and still keeping good timing. - works for singing vocals too

also, if you double the vocal track dont be cheap and just copy the first one record a second vocal track it will sound better

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Structure

Alot of text battlers see that because they dont have to spit the rhymes (just text) that they can overstrech there bars/lines. Its important that you keep a good structure by wording and punctuating your lines. The best thing you can do is try to keep a second line of a bar to the same amount of syllablles as the first line or as near as possible.

ive got a drill and dagger to kill a rapper
im ill and dappa so your skill dont matter

Its not perfect but the lines are basically the same length. try and do this throughout your verse and your structure will be near perfect.

Vocabulary

The best thing you can do as an emcee, is increase your vocab. If your a beginner and stuck whilst thinking a rhyme, cheat and use an internet based rhyme dictionary like www.rhymezone.com at first. After a while you would have built up a wider vocab and wont need to use such dictionarys. Vocab is important when choosing hard hitting ways to word a sentence. Some people will have a naturally good vocab.

in time im the illest, like plagues in history

im the illest in time, like historical plagues

the second punchline is worded better...makes better use of vocab.

make you choke like smoke from dope

ill constrict your throat like dope smoke when blokes choke

again second is using better vocab and worded better...constrict is a more powerful word

wording and vocab is all about using powerful words that paint an image.

Wordplay

wordplay is one of the main technical aspects of writing an intellectual verse or a battle verse. Alot of wordplay is based upon word asscioation. Some people will disagree and say that there two different things but they can be the same. Ive won alot of recognition through wordplay and i will go through how i make mine.

i chew on calenders and spit for days

i thought of spit for days, then thought what spits for days. If you chewed on a calender you could spit four days.

my clique bring fire like electric lighters

i thought of bring fire then i thought of lighters cos they bring fire. To make the line more advanced i added clique as in crew. electric lighters need to be clicked to work.

these are just a few examples.

you can also use alot of words that relate to same thing such as

ive been paitently waiting to get signed to someone like shady
a soldier could lose yourself trying to battle someone like jamie

just a quick keystyled bar, but it shows wordplay...paitently waiting/soldier/lose yourself..are all shady/aftermath records tracks

Being original!

Being original with your concepts and wordplay is another important factor. The less obvious the wordplay is the better alot of the time. If you see a punchline or something dont make your own version of that punchline unless you really do flip it in a much better way and you havent seen it around too many times. In a close battle it can come down to originality and losing a battle on that is a great let down.

Punchlines

Punchlines are the most important aspect of battling as they can incorporate personals and wordplay which are the other two most important aspects of writing for battles.

Its always easier to write your punchlines in reverse form. So you think of your second line before your first.

think of a concept ie... weightless emcees...then think using same rules as wordplay - what is weightless..how can i incorporate that?

emcees are weight-less like there in a space-test

here are some good punches..

its like your bullying a leprechorn your pushing your luck

crew could be a band from the eightys and not beegees!

ill come before U like the letter T!

Geek still thinks a multies a mathmatical calculation!

Ill come above you like a tall pornstar!

queing for drinks at prom onlytime you seen a punchline!

wouldnt c*m-pete if you sexed jordan

couldn't c*m close if you m**tur**t next to me

Multies
Multies are especially useful when making your rhyming and the overall look and sound of the verse more advanced. multi is short for multi syllablle rhyming. It makes your flow better because more of the line rhymes than just the basic end of line rhyme. This also makes for the emcee being able to produce an original rhyme scheme.

2 syllablle multies:

brick top
grip glocks
rick ross
kriss kross
wrist watch
rich floss
quids robbed
etc...

3:

Time capsule
rhymes factual
etc...

and you can do it for as many syllables as you like...then incorparate them into your bars so...ill take the 2 syllablle multies above..

if your rich floss like rick ross and get your quids robbed
thinking your more gangster than bricktop cos you grip glocks
and keep a cannon near your hand like a wrist watch
ill smack you so hard your clothes worn backwards like kriss kross

just an example...but multies improve flow..and make your rhyming more advanced.

multies can be used to switch your flow up aswell...such as

if your rich floss like rick ross and get your quids robbed
thinking your more gangster than bricktop cos you grip glocks
and keep a cannon near your hand like a wrist watch
ill smack you so hard your clothes worn backwards like kriss kross
my scripts hot im scribing topics in the tropics
your life'll be short lived like shooting rockets at hobbits

see i used the kriss kross multie to start my next line with scripts hot...
scripts hot - kriss kross..

i then switched the rhyme into something else..on beginning of next bar and put another punchline in there.

doing this throughout your verse will help your verse to flow and rhyme nicely.

i come with cults and let a punch assault
spit five hundred volt thunderbolts until you somersault
i run the vault..got it locked when i brainstorm...

there is a more advanced multie and switched up into next bar..

Rhyme Schemes

My basic rhyme scheme is

multi blalalala multi
multi blalalalal multi

altho i can change it and include more multies so it is

multi blablabla multi blablabla multi
blablabla multi blablabla multi
multi blablabla multi 2 multi 2
blalbalblablablablablbla multi 2

this might look confusing but just experiement with placement of multies to make an original rhyme scheme and try to change it during your verse in atleast one place otherwise the verse can get monontonus for a reader.

Multies dont have to be completely perfect either, they can be a syllablle out and still sound good ie

killing this fag
illest with raps
spilling the facts

the words dont have to be perfect rhymes such as illest and killing..but they rhyme when flowed with other multies with similar sound. Also the this/with/and are just connection words..they can be forgot about unless you can rhyme them aswell and make the multie as good as it would be if you didnt.

Flow

Basically, having a good rhyme scheme, good multies and a good structure will help your flow to be near enough perfect.

Rhyming

The more syllablles rhymed the more advanced it sounds..but dont go crazy. Dont use multies unnesscarily just to make something rhyme more. If you start using a multi that doesnt fit into the line well but rhymes it becomes stupid ie

im a crazy bastard dazed and plastered put gays in plasters
outside heavens gates with masters whilst i wait for answers

^ not a very good example because its still a very good set of lines but the second would be better if the first line was based around the same subject matter. I go from talking about being a crazy bastard and putting gays in plasters to being outside heavens gates waiting for answers...its a bit of a contrast in subjects. This is okay when rhyming for a verse which is a boast verse or a random freestyle or showing off skill verse...but when you come to write topically to a subject for a track it can mess it up if you use irrelevant multies in your verse.

Personals

Personals are the hardest hitting form of dissing an opponent. A personal is a punchline that specifically links with your opponent. you could diss everything from his looks to where he lives to his crew name his emcee name, anything.

lets say im battling sir real...he was called villian before and has been called phresh before.

when spilling the text im killing your flesh you aint the illest or best
Only changed his name to sir real cos he wasnt a villian or phresh!

It can only be used against sir real because he has been called villian and phresh, so its a personal. Again tho, be original with personals try not to use a personal that has been used before unless yours is a much better version. when text battling anything can be used as a personal, check people profiles and previous posts, something theyve said, where there from, there name, age, picture....anything.

Do's and Dont's

Dont

Stretch your bars (writing to a beat can help this)

Force words in your rhymes (only rhyme what is necessary)

Use multies if they arnt multies (this makes you look stupid..dont try using multies in an advanced way unless you know you can)

Use played ideas(concepts) you've seen before unless it is alot harder than other ones.

Recycle your lyrics (use them more then once, if your on a new site or something and you have a personal or a punchline that would fit to the person your battling then by all means flip it but keep this to a minimum.)

Use personals that arnt true...(you can make personals from the smallest things, there is no need to make them up)

Over do it with marking out multies..(some people prefer to mark out there mutlies with - inbetween the individual words - this isnt necessary, still if you must...)
Use filler (try to include as much relevent stuff in a battle as possible..dont write im the sickest im the best all the way through a battle, your dissing someone else not bigging yourself up - obviously its okay here and there but not throughout a verse.

Over do the explanations for your punchlines/personals/wordplay (if readers/voters are advanced enough they will notice the punchlines and personals etc anyway - you should explain personals breifly at bottom or top of verse and that is it.)

Do

Use atleast one punchline for every 2 lines ( this is the way to win..punchline or personal on every other line or more)

Use as many personals as you can, but dont use **** that wont hit hard (you can make the smallest personal hit hard if you word it right with good wordplay but personals are main weapon so look into finding some personals on an opponent before battling.)

Keep the flow well all through the verse (use multies to switch it up here and there)

Use multies as much as possible BUT only if you can use them well (and dont over do it)

Use correct spelling (otherwise your just giving people anothe personal, if they do a post search on all messages youve left on the site and see bad spelling...then they've got a personal...)
Make your wordplay/punchlines/personals over complicated (you want the reader to understand them at the same time you dont want them to be too obvious)

final words

Battling is the best way to elevate and improve as a writer. It helps you build a knowledge of technical aspects of writing. When you start writing verse for tracks etc with subject matters that need to be stuck to ie a love song...you will be able to incorparate what you learnt from battling to be able to make an advanced topical verse.

good luck

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:26 am 
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no doubt u arghh from Cali-like a little allen ginsburg you are. i couldn't even read all that so i just skimmed. 8)

edit: Try here: http://www.lib.virginia.edu/small/exhibits/sixties/radical.html

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Yeah, my moms did a lot of work with Angela Davis and Afeni Shakur among other black panthers, I was raised going to protests since I was 5. At one point my mom was doing a lot of work to free Leonard Pelter but quit after being followed than confronted by the F.B.I for working with A.I.M a so called domestic "terrorist" group. It kinda weirded me out when my mom was randomly sent a copy of the freemason booklet to her office with no return address or any other info.

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thx for all the help...thats cool...im bout to make 3 more...so i can have a 5 song sampler

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