Secret break chopping tech

[LimpyLoo]

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Since it wasn't mentioned, I'll post this for the 505 and 606 users.

Nondestructive Chop - Copy a break or sample to the Clipboard and copy it to as many pads you like and just adjust the start and end points of each pad manually. You'll get that JJOS or MV style of chopping.

*ahem*

Eddy the 808 says: "And what am I, autochopped liver?!?"

Thing is like the Elephant Man of SPs, jeez.

[Rabot]

whoever said add delay/reverb for tail.

I always end up doing it.

[Ill Green]

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Since it wasn't mentioned, I'll post this for the 505 and 606 users.

Nondestructive Chop - Copy a break or sample to the Clipboard and copy it to as many pads you like and just adjust the start and end points of each pad manually. You'll get that JJOS or MV style of chopping.

*ahem*

Eddy the 808 says: "And what am I, autochopped liver?!?"

Thing is like the Elephant Man of SPs, jeez.

Thats the only SP I never touched, along with the 404 and 555. I get vibes from samplers I guess. But the 808's sister, the CDX-1 was the one I wanted but then she introduced me to her cousin, the 505. True story.

[a.D.]

I'm surprised i've never seen this technique mentioned on the forums-but i just found out about it,and it's super dope-one of those "oh shit" eureka moments.

so a really good way to add some extra tail to snares,especially a break snare,that already has some reverb/tail in it before the hat hits-- first make sure the start & end points are precise..& resample it in reverse (backwords) to a pad..next resample both the regular and the reverse snare to a pad,by hitting the regular one first,and the reverse one immediately after,( right about where the regular snare would repeat if it was on on loop).you'll notice the new sample has a long tail now with a big "whoosh"at the end-cut that whoosh off by adjusting the end point,and bam,you got a snare with a longer tail,and one that kinda fades out & doesn't just cut off all abbruptly.this is really good if you're using just a snare out of a break and leaving the rest alone,or when you wanna play your break chops at a slower tempo than the actual break without pitching it down.this also works for more "kit sounding" processed drum samples with no reverb or tail --but adds more of a hiss type tail.

to me this is much doper (for the most part)than just adding reverb to a snare,which can tend to change the accoustics of a snare drammatically--one more little tip--it's probably better to turn the volume of the backwords snare sample down about 10-15 notches before you resample..but that's depending on the snare itself and personal taste i guess.anyway,try this if you don't know about it,i kinda flipped out a little when i did it the first time.

[LimpyLoo]

I had similar problems.

I find myself resampling everything with enough reverb to give it a tail.

Also, compression with high sustain, low attack will pull up whatever tail is there.

[kel]

i use taptempo+mfx button with reverb in cases where my snare is too close to the hi hat or the kick is too close to the snare, etc...

instead of applying reverb to the entire sample i just cut it in as close as possible to the end of the sample (effect grab)... that way, it gives the hit some subtle tail without being over powering, sounds great

[a.D.]

yea i've been doing that for years,but by resampling & just a little different--resample a snare with reverb applied,adjust it so it's just the verb part by itself,then resample that to just the end of the snare,like a 16th note after....this works really well for dry drum hits... thing is though,for the most part when you add reverb to a snare that already has a tail/ reverb in it,you're just putting a layer of reverb over reverb that's already there(or just applying it to the tail itself,depending on how you do it) & it doesn't sound that natural,something that's always frustrated me about chopping breaks..always just wished i could just extend the tail that was already there a little bit longer.-if you listen to a one shot snare with verb on it from a record-one that doesn't get cut off by a hat or a kick,you'll notice the tail sounds much fuller and thicker than one achieved through reverb on a sampler.there's a pretty valid reason why i tripped out a little when i learned the trick i mentioned above,try it out.

Edit- I should add that when i said to adjust the end point precisely,i mean right where the original tail ends, before the next hit--gotta keep that air in there...you'll end up with a longer tail that easilly bleeds into the next hat in your drum pattern,or whatever hits next(unless maybe the snare's from a really fast break played in a much slower pattern)

[yo-yo crunch]

that's like a ghetto sidechain reverb/ parallel compression (if you have that slight gap between the end of your snare and the start of the reverb). i've always loved that sound but been too lazy to get into it with software. gonna try this one though. dope.

i also like that effect grab trick. gonna try that one too!

to be honest i usually don't get too fussy about the tails ending too abruptly. it's usually hidden in the mix anyway. sometimes choppy sounds 'more hip-hop' or more futuristic...its good to mix it up and do both

[Oldman]

@ a.D.

Thanks for this nice little trick! It works great and reminds me of the effect that Recycle has with the stretch parameter.

I used the Decay on the MPC 2000 to get rid of the "whoooosh" but I still have to try it on the 404...