Late 80's kid but had all my older brothers stuff (8 years older). Grew up listening to his music and his taste. A 90's kid with late 80's taste.

Best thing I can say for high school, do your own thing, listen and be inspired by whatever you want.

yo, this is true and untrue for every generation. it all depends on perspective. I fully understand and appreciate the views put forth in this thread, but at the same time I remember reading skate mags as a 12 year old kid(96) and there would be a letter every month or two in the letters section saying basically the same thing(but about skateboarding).
Granted it sucks that radio/mtv isn't playing real hip hop anymore, but i'm sure a good deal of the kids aspiring to be hip hop artists in the golden era were just trying to imitate the golden era artists and not bring their own twist, or a sense of originality into it.
It's the same now as far as I can tell. The majority of people you meet anywhere doing any sort of art will be bullshit, but to make a cliche quote "real recognize real" the original people doing their own thing always shine through, even if very few people notice, the cats who actually care will. And to be original in any sort of art you do have to recognize at least if not fully understand the foundations of the culture that you are taking part in.
In the local community that I take part in, I've met dope cats who rap and make beats, my age at times, younger often as well as older. But I've also met more than my fair share of kooks and imitators, I choose to block out the kooks, speak polite words to em when I end up on the same bill and focus on trying to build with the like minded heads that are in abundance if I get outta my beat-cave often enough to meet em.
That's my take on the whole thing.

ya... only thing is nowadays everyone thinks theyre an artist..
ppl buy some camera someone thought was good and take random pictures.
throw em up like they are awe inspiring..
same with music
ya this beat kinda sounds like(insert hipster artist)

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+1

also , turn that shitty brostep down and get off my lawn
(yeah i'm old too)

Kids born from 1990 on up are all brainwashed into believing that style and appearances make an individual. They don't have any skills or perseverance because corporate media and society has made it that way. They are all sheep that are slaves to a TV screen.

Whoever that kid was who didn't know Pharoahe Monch should be clubbed to death.

I have heated arguments all the time with so called "producers" who don't even know what a motherfucking ASR-10 is. They can talk about Fruity Loops and Reason all day but when I start talking hardware they look like sheep in headlights. The same thing with "DJs". All the DJs today are fixated on a screen and iPods instead of focusing on rocking a party by spot on blending, mixing, and a little creativity. Very few DJs can use Serato and pull it off. By not actually mixing records the "old fashioned" way or making a track on hardware, these clowns skip a huge step and expect to be Daft Punk overnight.

Technology, for all it's forward progress created, has taken the fun, experimentation, and just flat out made music production easy and a gimmick. Producers these days are a dime a dozen and all are making the same, redundant, and overplayed 808-based "swag" sound.

I'm constantly struggling to find a worthwhile emcee to work with because all the ones I run into are talking about swag and Maybachs when they drive a fucking Ford Focus. That's why I write my own shit

Props to the SP-Forums for giving me and others a place where we can be our grimey, dusty, sample and breakbeat chopping selves.

i hate it too

but i like the 808 and the 909 sound very much

Don't get me wrong I love the 808 and 909 drum sounds. I love my 808. But the way 808s and 909s were used in the late 80s and early 90s were the best. They experimented with those machines by detuning that kick drum to have it act as a bassline, manipulating the decay and release on the claps to make them sound like snares, etc. Let's not forget that the artists who used them actually crafted original and floor shaking patterns and drum tracks (i.e. DJ Magic Mike, Cybotron, Schoolly D, Krs-One, Rick Rubin, Arthur Baker, Bambaata, countless others).

Today, 808 and 909 patterns are just the repetitive tick, tick, tick, of the snare and one kick drum. They sound horribly amateur.

cool
i would like to have a 909 and/or a 808 but those machines are really expensives and i can't afford it


oh yeah love that shit


agree

once again i agree with everything being stated here. i guess i just choose to be really excited about all the dope heads i've met, been able to associate with/learn from/teach something to, otherwise i'd just be completely jaded and never leave my house, and that would take way too much energy. it also could just be that the northwest breeds dopeness and has a strong ass scene full of dudes who really care. what else are we gonna do while it rains all the time.
there have been tons of times where i'm out downtown passing out flyers for a show and some dude will be like, yo i rap, how do i get on one of these gigs. and i always tell em the same thing, there's gonna be a cypher at the end of the show, come through and kill the cypher and people will notice. most of em never even bother to show up for the shows after i say that.

waddup QuiVive!

I was having this conversation the past week with a few people. The bottom line is the younger generation doesn't give a shit about what was cool in the 90's, they want to be whatever the cool 18 year old artists are portraying...if you think about it that's kind of the way we were too, we wanted to listen to hip hop not whatever our parents were listening to when we grew up - otherwise hip hop would never have been able to emerge as a genre in the first place (even though hip hop is based on sampling other genres of music). Every generation wants their own identity and more importantly to separate themselves from previous generations...and I'm also pretty sure older generations always think the younger generation is cornier than they were...guess it's all perception.

As far as hip hop music specifically, there is way more good stuff going on then people realize...in Philadelphia there is a pretty solid scene, a lot of the artists getting buzz are legit seriously dope artists...there is the modernized bullshit rap but there is a whole group of people (and a whole set of events/venues) that don't really fuck with all that, they keep it real - even if people aren't exactly raking in the dough putting on or performing in those shows. And the fake types know better than to come around that cipher b/c there is a certain standards that motherfuckers uphold. There are a lot of real dudes out there...this is for the kings/holla if you never gave an inch

So, isn't this thread all about being original? Finding ways to be more creative and original with our music, right? Don't follow what everyone else is doing. Find your own groove and hit it hard, and be proud of it.

Genres come and go, styles come and go, styles resurface, genres get blended, and rules are broken all the time.

I think that a big part of the problem is the proliferation of pre made loops and patches. Maybe all of the newer tools would be fine if they didn't come with so many loops and samples. Makes people fucking lazy as hell...

The 404 comes with some samples and loops, but I've never heard them used by anyone, which is good. But there is still a risk of dumping pre made shit onto the pads.

Damn, I was just about to rip shit about your post based on that start (didn't realise you were setting up a point), but everything you said was spot on.

In 20 years time the kids everyone's ripping on here will be ripping on the generation that's coming after them. That doesn't mean the next gen's music will be shit, just different.


Using presets all the time is like only sampling James Brown. People will realise its lazy pretty soon.

def relate to this one. i recorded a kid talking about his red and yellow maserati. i took him aside and said look man ppl arent gonna buy that corny shit when youre from speedway indiana.... wow