Trying to explain sampling to people

[CatsCatsCats]

How?? Its super frustrating to always get the same "well, youre really just stealing from someone else's song" reply. I had a long conversation about sampling with a friend of mine who produces in Fruity Loops. He was messing with my sampler and basically kept coming to that same conclusion, that I didn't record the samples myself so its not really that impressive. When I asked him where he gets samples of drum hits he responded "Oh, I just downloaded a big pack of them."

*facepalm

Just venting some frustration here. I think I quit trying to explain myself to people

[Ill Green]

Yeah, I had a similar conversation with the congo player across the street from me a year or two ago. He wanted to know where was the band, I said "band?" and he goes "yeah man, I can hear the music from here, but they sound stuck because they keep playing the same 4 bars again and again" I told him thats Hip Hop and that I'm trying to trim this loop. I took him to my lair and showed him what I do and this fuckface says "all your doing is playing with a tape recorder playing back other people's stuff" so I said "beat producing is an artform derived from DJs in the club. Ever went to a party and they played that song you loved when you was 16? It gave you flashbacks right? Reminded you of things right? Well thats what I do in an abstract form, maybe when someone hears this they'll be like "My father used to play those tunes" or "that song reminds me of old black and white flicks" whatever it is, its gonna put images in your head that you can relate to, which originally was the job of the DJ. Fuckface then told me to learn an instrument so I bust out my guitar and played a bit of Machine Gun. But Fuckface became cool when he said "sounds like you use a lot of old and strange records, come by my house, I got records that we used to trip to" I wasn't pissed at him anymore and he lent me the record that contained the samples to my Apocalypse Now song.

[fauna]

I usually just explain sampling by saying, "You know what collage is? Yeah? Same thing."

That usually ends the convo nice n easy.

[kel]

I can't stand the blues, but if I told a blues expert that I think it'sall the same shit over and over he might make an attempt to school me and I'd listen.

when i was a kid my friends liked punkrock and i liked rap. they couldn't understand how i could tell groups/styles apart, and same with me for them. they'd day, well, you can tell by the way they play their instruments, etc... i'd say, listen to the voice and the style of the beat... just takes interest.

[Mr. Davenport]

That keyboard, with all those horns, sitars and other sound, how did they get there. So really, those are samples from some source, I just choose to find my own sounds.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

its funny how people neglect the dig and the concept of piecing together parts of different pieces of music, like you just go out and buy a record and sample the main melody loop where ever its open off of some song on the album and then grab some whatever stock bangin drums and call it a day, its something they just aren't really interested in grasping i guess, it really bums me out cause i never will go out of my way to say what you listen to is shit, this is real music, blah blah blah, cause i know its different strokes for different folks, and that my tastes are definitely a bit eccentric for most people to dig on, but some people always gotta put down unfamiliar shit, seemingly just to justify why what they listen to is good, when they really have no other sound reasoning, its just like an uncomfortable feeling followed by a half jokingly question about what we're listening to is, and then right on to whatever they are interested in like anybody else's tastes are null cause whatever their poison is currently is the only shit worthwhile.....

rabble rabble rabble rabble

[Vynal Duss]

I've found arguing these types of issues with people who are not actually listning to the artform or taking a part in the artform Futile. I made up my mind a few years back that I wouldn't argue with anyone, for any reason, about Any Thing. Odds are, you and the person your arguing with will leave said argument feeling the exact same way they did before the debate. Kinda of like religious debates, and political debates, pointless waste of time, with no ground gained.
I told a friend just a few weeks ago when he asked me and a few other friends what kept us inspired, and what about naysayers. I told him, " For those who understand, no words are necessary, just a simultaneous head nod, props, and then on to the next. But, for someone who doesn't "get it", two lifetimes wouldn't be long enough to make em understand."

[tape smoke]

its funny,
most of the time, people that talk shit, have no fucking clue what they are talking about, give an idiot a 88 key grand piano and a sampler, and he wouldnt know what the fuuck to do.

give a trained piano player a sampler, he wont know what to do, its a
instrument, and like any instrument takes a long time to learn. people should learn what they are talking about before they talk shit. I always want to see a "sample critic" try to make music with a sampler. they cant. case closed.

merry x box.

[_limpid]

Does anyone here know Duchamp?

Found a toilet, stuck it in an art gallery and called it art.

Similar concept anyone?

[jetson]

Does anyone here know Duchamp?

Found a toilet, stuck it in an art gallery and called it art.

Similar concept anyone?

<furiously runs to toilet to quickly sample it>

[Unfolding]

I told a friend just a few weeks ago when he asked me and a few other friends what kept us inspired, and what about naysayers. I told him, " For those who understand, no words are necessary, just a simultaneous head nod, props, and then on to the next. But, for someone who doesn't "get it", two lifetimes wouldn't be long enough to make em understand."

While I respect your angle, is it weak to simply avoid making a point to those who don't get it? Probably. Especially when they instigate the discussion. If they start the topic, they're curious & want to hear your thoughts. Use that curiosity as the way to respond as opposed to stonewalling them. That way there's no issue if they still don't get it.

Arguments are an extension of an explanation, they work together. Arguments don't need to be won, simply made. Remember that understanding & appreciation are different things.

[cartesia]

what you do is you give him a sample like we start with in the SP battles, and you tell him to make an original, creative tune with it..

[yo-yo crunch]

"marcel duchamp said the artist of the future will simply point and call something art and it will be art."
-dennis hopper in some documentary. i think it was about warhol, but he might as well have been talking about hip-hop

[CatsCatsCats]

what you do is you give him a sample like we start with in the SP battles, and you tell him to make an original, creative tune with it..

Trust. Especially considering the current battle, I have no fucking clue where to go with those pieces haha. Definitely interested in what comes out of this one.

[dStx]

give an idiot a 88 key grand piano and a sampler, and he wouldnt know what the fuuck to do.

give a trained piano player a sampler, he wont know what to do, its a
instrument, and like any instrument takes a long time to learn.

BUT, give a sampling, non-pianist musician a sampler and a grand piano and he/she will make GOLD!