Analogue Editing

[ellaguru]

hi
a litle bit of historical revox editing (+ fantastic beats!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXEBDCX_O6M

seriously talking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMTPXw4O ... re=related

and a little parody of the "analogue edit" thing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYxHM5OZ ... re=related

[KOMSAT]

Man I love this shit. The Doctor Who one is ill, I've read about how they did it but it's much radder to see an actual 3 minute walkthrough. I'm a huge Dwho fan (NERD) and the theme song remains one of my favorite pieces of "electronic" music throughout the ages.

Someday when I'm old and grey I'll spend a million hours making beats with nothing but a walkman, a razor, some scotch tape and all the soiled magnetic remains of the 80's.

[ellaguru]

Someday when I'm old and grey I'll spend a million hours making beats with nothing but a walkman, a razor, some scotch tape and all the soiled magnetic remains of the 80's.

thanx for the comments!
yes that drwho montage it's crazy...

[tape smoke]

i've been working alot with tape lately,

the only thing i dont like is forgetting where something is on a tape and then scanning thru hours of samples and beats to find what im looking for, i like making sampletapes from various internet radios, never know when I'll find something awesome. heres a cool trick i found with the sample track, you can record a tape fast forwarding, and then slow it down in the sample trak and get a nice grimey sound.

and I like my hiss free type 2 100's maxell.

[ellaguru]

i've been working alot with tape lately,

the only thing i dont like is forgetting where something is on a tape and then scanning thru hours of samples and beats to find what im looking for, i like making sampletapes from various internet radios, never know when I'll find something awesome. heres a cool trick i found with the sample track, you can record a tape fast forwarding, and then slow it down in the sample trak and get a nice grimey sound.

and I like my hiss free type 2 100's maxell.

yes that trick is basically the "vynil 33to45" cassette version trick, i'm not use it very often but i should do it more...
i found recently a pack of 3 cassettes hidden in a cardboard, a total unknown (by me) label called Raks...i have to bought them 2 or 3 years ago in a supermarket...and yes it's 90 type II, naturally...

[tape smoke]

should try this trick only works with certain recorders though.

hold fast forward and record. and see if it records the sound,

you will get normal playback when you fast forward and play.

when you play the tape regular its so slow you cant even hear it,

kinda fun to put in the background of songs.

[ellaguru]

i just tried with my yamaha mt120 and it works, the result is very lofi, i sampled it in the mc909 wich has very nice pitch capacity.
do you use also "simple recorders" for that (i mean 1 track recorders, normal recorders)?

[tape smoke]

yeah, i used a hand held recorder, it was junky quality but the mic was good at picking up random shit, the speaker on it was so loud, i would tape my mc 505 into it full blast and you could hear it screaming from 2 blocks away, and scratching with the rewind and fast forward made it louder, and the batteries lasted a long time, when you plug a mic in and press record it was like a megaphone. pretty rad . a cool effect is sampling with a mic from a speaker to tape, and you get cool phasing when you move the mic from the tweeter to the mid or sub speaker.

fast forward and record is good for wiping or griming up tapes,

i like to test qualities of many different kind of tapes so
my sound is more unpredictable,

[ellaguru]

a cool effect is sampling with a mic from a speaker to tape, and you get cool phasing when you move the mic from the tweeter to the mid or sub speaker.

fast forward and record is good for wiping or griming up tapes,

i like to test qualities of many different kind of tapes so
my sound is more unpredictable,

becoming from indie rock, sometimes i think to add to the final mix of a track the "recording of the air" of the sound of the track coming from speakers, more or less what steve albini done for recording In Utero by Nirvana...that's what i thought whaen you suggested "sampling with mic from a speaker to tape"...i think albini placed different mics around the players + (obviously) behing the amplifiers.
BTW here's some interesting articles about recordings with different positioning mic (and look at the .mp3 or .wav files! very cool and downloadable!) with many producers and albini too...

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun08/a ... dsnare.htm
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun08/a ... eaudio.htm

[tape smoke]

im interesting in miking my audio, because it completly reproduces the signal
and different mics would sound different. female vocal mics, cut the highs a bit and enhance the lows, it is a good mic for miking from a speaker.

about the phasing trick, i mentioned earlier, i found this on wikipedia, its sort of like it,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_masking

Phasing. When two masking speakers have the same signal, but are separated from each other, a person at the mid-point between them can sense a “swishing” sound. This is caused by level changes at various frequencies caused by phase shifts. When strongly noticeable, it is considered to be objectionable. This effect is most pronounced in a commercial facility with persons moving about. An intervening material can eliminate this effect. If there is no intervening material, special design is required to eliminate it.

if you take 2 speakers and run some noise thru both of them and move around the middle it makes noise wobbles,. just invented the name of it.

[ellaguru]

im interesting in miking my audio, because it completly reproduces the signal
and different mics would sound different. female vocal mics, cut the highs a bit and enhance the lows, it is a good mic for miking from a speaker.

about the phasing trick, i mentioned earlier, i found this on wikipedia, its sort of like it,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_masking

Phasing. When two masking speakers have the same signal, but are separated from each other, a person at the mid-point between them can sense a “swishing” sound. This is caused by level changes at various frequencies caused by phase shifts. When strongly noticeable, it is considered to be objectionable. This effect is most pronounced in a commercial facility with persons moving about. An intervening material can eliminate this effect. If there is no intervening material, special design is required to eliminate it.

if you take 2 speakers and run some noise thru both of them and move around the middle it makes noise wobbles,. just invented the name of it.

maybe is the same effect reached by first pioneeristic djs wich played the same track on 2 different turntables with just a very little different lapse of time between the tracks...

[tape smoke]

i found some cool links that talk about bias, magnetization, flutter and other technical stuff.

http://www.tangible-technology.com/media/media_2.html

the recorder I have is a early 90s double deck philips, I didnt know how dope it was till I learned how to use it, you can do multi tracking with the line in with its own volume level, while dubbing a tape and recording the rca ins with its own volume level, so its pretty rad. and then messing with tape qualities and different sample rates on samplers makes it radical too. I notice when you bit crush then bounce to tape, its almost like you didnt even bit crush.

[Rabot]

. and then messing with tape qualities and different sample rates on samplers makes it radical too. I notice when you bit crush then bounce to tape, its almost like you didnt even bit crush.

HI FIDELITY RIGHT THWEREEE

[ellaguru]

personally i noticed two things.
1)
as in the article you proposed, tape recorders aren't flat at all.
my 2 yamaha (mt120 and mtx4) are "weak" on mid but punchy on low and very heavy on hi frequencies. this is something to think about when doing the final mix.
2)
passing a sound trough the multitrack's mixer is different than recording (and then playing music) from it: those are 2 different results. at first i tought, ok, i will use the tape recorder just as a sort of filter, but then i noticed that thing and now i'm multitracking again after few years...

what makes me a bit nervous is the fact that 2 years ago i bought a midiman smartsync in order to have sync with analog recorder (basically you transform your recorder in a sort of big midi out), but i retry this 2 days ago and the process seems to not working...(see fsk signals in case of)...

[CatsCatsCats]

First post, this is really awesome and its inspiring to know theres people out there, even on this forum, still making music with these techniques. I've never gotten into slicing up tape but I did record my first album on one of those Tascam 4 track cassette recorders and that tape sound will always be special to me.