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Just thought I'd chime in with my final solution...

I load a full stereo mix of my entire song into a single pad of the 404. My keyboard (Kurzweil PC361) has a sequence loaded in it with a single quarter note at the top to trigger that pad.

The keyboard actually has two MIDI outs -- one goes to ...

OK, the Adrenalinn thing didn't work. If you tell it to turn off its beat clock it also turns off start/stop commands. So, no way to trigger a 404 pattern and have the 404 use its own tempo (40 bpm in the case I was discussing to maximize song length). I'm stuck with the 99 bar pattern limit. At ...

Let's see if I can summarize my original intent and what has been learned...

PRIMARY GOAL: Use the 404SX as a virtual backing band with no limitation on the total length of the song. Arrangement and length are predetermined.
SECONDARY GOAL: Break from fixed arrangement and length only to the extent ...

More interesting info. Thanks all.

The problem then is I'll have my hands on a bass for the entire song, making pattern changes difficult.

The Adrenalinn isn't sending MIDI notes, just the start/stop message and the beat clock. And I agree that the 404 can't pattern-change via MIDI.

I'm about halfway to verifying dman5000's suggestion. I was indeed able to put an entire song in a single sample (actually, I put multi-track files in ...

I *assume* the 404 is like the 404SX -- you can only trigger half of the pads on the base channel (10 in this case). The remaining pads are triggered on base channel + 1 (11 in this case).

Now I feel dumb for asking. Totally agree with you. Too many unknowns.

The manual talks about adjusting the BPM of a sample in cases where it comes up with half or double the expected value. I wonder if it can compensate for 96/91.

I have a WAV file that's 91 bars long @ 115 bpm. When I import it into the 404SX it displays the tempo as 122. Plays correctly.

Does the 404SX have a limitation in calculating this?

That's a hella interesting idea dman5000. I may not be able to try this until next week (when I'm next scheduled to practice with my guitarist / Adrenalinn owner). The manual says it does have a mode that neither sends nor receives MIDI beat clock. I would assume the start/stop commands are separate ...

I think I mispoke in saying the Adrenalinn III is a MIDI controller. It's not, or at least it's very limited. There's a footswitch that can generate start/stop messages and it puts out a MIDI beat clock. That's it though.

The beat clock is kind of the important thing. It makes sure the tempo of the ...

Yeah, I thought of that. Sorry I didn't mention it. Thanks for the suggestion.

But the tempo is coming from the Adrenalinn III and its beat-synced effects. Cutting the tempo in half there would halve the beat-sync effects as well. Hmmm... I'd hate to have to edit the Adrenalinn effects to have 2x ...

I'm trying to use the 404 as a glorified WAV file player for a live show. Most songs exceed 99 bars. I want to use patterns so an external MIDI controller (in this case an Adrenalinn III) can start/stop them.

My strategy was to bounce the WAVs out of my DAW -- one for the first half of the song and ...

OK. Cool. I just bought one and am picking it up this afternoon.

My primary use will be loading it with drum loops and having them trigger from the sequencer in a Kurzweil PC3. So, I'm less concerned with effects and more concerned with having a large number of loops available for playback with no ...

Does the 404SX read samples directly from the SD card in realtime? As in, when you press a button, it goes to the SD card to play back the sample assigned to that button? And if you want new samples you could just switch out cards?

If this is true, I'm just wondering why other samplers seem to have ...

Ahhh... I see it now. The "Tips 'n Tricks" section is where all the action is. I thought things looked a little slow in this forum but I was fooled by some of the other 404 posts in here.

Thanks! I'll repost there.