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damn i'm late, i vote for locksmith very close to IIIII, chopperman, jade and marcogrouch
i think i cannot vote, poll is ended...wtf

soopington, commercial, IIIII and Alnitak_Kid thanks for voting the track.
to the battle guys, thanks for partecipating guys.
if someone want it i can explain the workflow used on the sp505 to make this track.

Congrats to ella!
Cool stuffs guys!

ellaguru wrote:soopington, commercial, IIIII and Alnitak_Kid thanks for voting the track.
to the battle guys, thanks for partecipating guys.
if someone want it i can explain the workflow used on the sp505 to make this track.

Always interesting to know how it's done..)
So yes, can you explain your workflow?

ellaguru wrote:if someone want it i can explain the workflow used on the sp505 to make this track.

That would be great! I'm all ears.

ok guys
that was the workflow on the sp505 for that battle (workflow for me can change time to time on this machine)
i took the piano sample, and EQed (actually i used Isolator effect), the aim was to try to go near to some sort of rhodes; after some EQed+resampling, i used the Pan effect, resampling Long mode (i found the LoFi mode wasn't very well sounding on the 505 in that case and for that sample/aim) and after that i added just a bit of Phaser effect. I then applyed the pitch function with alghorythm "Lo",'cause after tryin the "Music" and "Hi" alghohrytms i wasn't satisfied. So, after finding chords i liked, i resampled the results. I still applyed some Isolator (there were too low freq) then resampled again with compression+reverb and i bit of delay.
That's the piano.

The kick drum was problematic because as i said above i used the "Lo" alghorhytm for the piano, son low frequencies were almost "occupied" by the piano samples...so i had to EQed the kick (Isolator too in this case) to make it not sit on the same frequencies as the piano. then i worked on snare and hihat trying to (also with Isolator) find more room for them especialli on mid-hi frequencies. That sort of "chacha percussion" is a snare resampled in lofi+Isolator effect and bpm stretched. Then i found drum loops,and resampled them with compression and reverb.

the bass is obtained from some bass samples isolated from its original L/R (you can do extreme panning on the 505) with the same strategy and trying not to occupy too much piano frequencies nor kick drum ones.

for the Dakim delay tactics:
it exists a post on the production techinques (http://sp-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18487&hilit=dakim) where we discussed about it. i used it on the 505 like this: on the machine there is a way to sync delay with bpm patterns or samples. So i synced delay.

i recorded a pattern with only the piano loops, so to sync (with sp505 bpm sync feature, not the same as fx sync as above) the rest of samples wich were played live+hold button and sometimes delayed to create loops on the fly like that Dakim tactic...now that i remember, the main drum loop was born using this delay tactic and then resampled/chopped...

if you have questions go ahead

Thanks for the explanation man, very interesting!
And thanks for the Dakim technique, i had a similar result messing around some ambient/noise shit on the mc-808, glad to see that it is becoming a musical style (genre) and peoples like it!

Cheers!

Very helpful!
Thanks for taking the time to write it down. Really interesting to read while listening to your beat again. I get a better understanding of the many different layers building up the beat.

Also really interesting about the Dakim-style-delay-beat. Checked out the Boiler Room set and the other explaining video, and managed to get it going on my SX as well.
It seems to be a technique made possible by a digital delay not allowed to oscillate. Otherwise it would be impossible to keep the feedback knob maxed.

I imagine, if you keep a recorder running while improvising Dakim-style you could really come up with some stuff to chop up into loops later. Or of course, just improvise and make SP-jazz.

Questions regarding your beat:
When you got the piano pattern looping. Did you have samples on pads cut to the same length as the pattern? Or could you just have the samples HOLD-repeating while set to the same BPM?

I realize I have a lot left to learn. I really need to RTFM to check up on BPM and TIME-stuff, and I need to get going on textures and all the different ways to make things cloudy and mysterious.

Thanks again - very inspirational!

Congrats on the win. Can't wait for the next battle. I hope it gets really active.

otbt wrote:Thanks for the explanation man, very interesting!
And thanks for the Dakim technique, i had a similar result messing around some ambient/noise shit on the mc-808, glad to see that it is becoming a musical style (genre) and peoples like it!

Cheers!

man thanks, i would like to share or listen some of that ambient technique cos i have an mc909, but the delay doesn't go until 100% feedback, just 98%, so this technique is not realized "to the top"; is that the same on the mc808?
ps
we'll all wait for some SP808 beats, damn!!

janglesoul wrote:Very helpful!
Also really interesting about the Dakim-style-delay-beat. Checked out the Boiler Room set and the other explaining video, and managed to get it going on my SX as well.
It seems to be a technique made possible by a digital delay not allowed to oscillate. Otherwise it would be impossible to keep the feedback knob maxed.

i think that if the dealy is the same as on the original 404, this technique is possible

janglesoul wrote:I imagine, if you keep a recorder running while improvising Dakim-style you could really come up with some stuff to chop up into loops later. Or of course, just improvise and make SP-jazz.

wow that's a cool idea! i think that you can do soemthing with resampling also, but at the end then the sounds stops...
...another sampler wich is useful with that Dakim technique is the sp606 wich got 2fx simultaneously so you could have 1effect to tweak samples and the second to apply this delay technique...
anyway there is an interesting technique, alternative to the Dakim's one, with the zoom st224 ,using it as a delay looper pedal, when it's not a looper at all, it's all about live sampling/tweaking samples on the fly with it...

janglesoul wrote:Questions regarding your beat:
When you got the piano pattern looping. Did you have samples on pads cut to the same length as the pattern? Or could you just have the samples HOLD-repeating while set to the same BPM?

well, samples on the same bpm on the SPs they are not very precise, after some tour they tend to go on "different directions", so you need internal or external seq. On the sp505/606 there is a function called bpm sync that when applyed it forces samples to follow the pattern bpm or the bpm of a certain sample you choose; so for the track i used this technique to play live synced loops (drums, bass,trumpet,glitch guitar etc) with the Hold button or "muting/unmuting" them live when necessary, they were always in sync (but you have to be careful to push pads at the right desidered time) while the sequencer were still running; you can also stop the sequencer and just let one synced loop to be a "metronome" to improvise around it with that delay technique, and so i did in the central part (the piano wasn't delayed), and then restart the sequencer (final part) in time with the synced/delayed loops...

I realize I have a lot left to learn. I really need to RTFM to check up on BPM and TIME-stuff, and I need to get going on textures and all the different ways to make things cloudy and mysterious.

what is RTFM?

davidarcade wrote:Congrats on the win. Can't wait for the next battle. I hope it gets really active.

thanks!
ill post something soon!

ellaguru wrote:what is RTFM?

Thanks again, and of course - congratulations to your victory!
RTFM is an abbreviation for Read the F**king manual

/C

ellaguru wrote:man thanks, i would like to share or listen some of that ambient technique cos i have an mc909, but the delay doesn't go until 100% feedback, just 98%, so this technique is not realized "to the top"; is that the same on the mc808?
ps
we'll all wait for some SP808 beats, damn!!

I've checked the MC and the feedback is not 100%, it's fade after a while, but the SP does it! Plus there are some fx patches with filter and chorus so it can produce some crazy sounds, i will experimenting more on that!
Thanks again for that trick, some awesome loops can be generated with it!

ps
beats are coming soon..) the sp808 is very uneasy for me