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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:33 pm 
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i have this nice little synth, a Casio ht700, "Spectrum Dynamic" synthesis, Casiotone MT-600 is near to this but not that editable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6KVsbkQFto
mine it's refurbished in the Honher label (Hohner ks49), a cheap version in only therms of price, but it's 99% the same, also in design therms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMCZILvnTaY

it has analog filters;)

btw ... what you mean, thechnically speaking, with resysnthesizing?


I reckon they should all have analogue filters (with a few exceptions of course) :mrgreen:

What I meant was CASIO samplers were incredibly sophisticated and were doing the sort of stuff Fairlight and Synclavier do, while four decades later, Korg, Roland and Yamaha still haven't produced a sampler anywhere near as sophisticated in terms of sample synthesis (as far as I'm aware anyway).

Here's a recent two-part video, really nice, although unfortunately he dosen't cover everything:

PART 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6LxLKJVp54

PART 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsdx2nz27Q


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:49 pm 
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There ain't anyone gonna tell me the track in Part 1 doesn't ooze 'The 80s Sound' BIG-TIME 8)

PART 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6LxLKJVp54

All sounds are from the CASIO, and well done Espen, a channel I'd subscribe to immediately if I were a member of YouTube!


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:46 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:25 pm 
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Aye, cool stuff, but don't forget the CK-500 and KX-101. There's more, can't remember the models but they also built this 'Very Japanese' kinda stuff for other brands.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:31 pm 
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If Casio had made it a 4-8 track recorder, and put in a decent synth inside, they woulda made their rep one to contend with! But Casio just seemed to put all the wrong decisions in the wrong hands I guess??

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:40 am 
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SP-USER wrote:
- They make the world's most iconic watch (CASIO F-91W)



Also known as the 'Osama Bin Laden' model... :)

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:48 pm 
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They actually showed images of what you're talking about on Wikipedia, and I kinda feel for CASIO over it being there, I mean that's the last sort of thing they're going to want their watch to be known for!

Fact is it's been telling time since the 80s, it's the most iconic time-keeper you can put on your wrist. It's also the cheapest way to own a genuine 80s icon today, brand new, and at a bargain price of under £10.

You have to be careful though, anyone wanting one should buy from a reputable retailer or jeweller because there's masses of counterfeits and rip-offs of the F-91W out there.

I got mine from Argos so I'm good 8)

The rich get to say:
"One is wearing ones Rolex today"

The rest of us get to say:
"Yeah, well I'm wearing a Ryusuke Moriai icon produced by CASIO, so spin on that" :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:44 am 
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If Casio had made it a 4-8 track recorder, and put in a decent synth inside, they woulda made their rep one to contend with! But Casio just seemed to put all the wrong decisions in the wrong hands I guess??

Yeah I know what you mean, and I wish I were the decision maker at CASIO, I know that :lol:

I've wanted to buy a CT-X5000 on numerous occasions and had to stop myself each time just because they had not given it any tweaking knobs. CASIO are always doing dumb things like that and it must be costing them an absolute fortune in lost sales.

I've lost count the amount of CASIO arranger keyboards I've wanted to buy but didn't because they had some form of control missing. That's kinda why I've got my hopes up for the new one, cause at the very least it has the AiX sound source and controller knobs.

Anyway, 20th tomorrow so I guess we'll know soon enough :D


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:05 am 
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https://www.casiomusicgear.com/products/casiotone-series/ct-s500

https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2022/01/20/casio-introduces-ct-s1000v-vocal-synthesis-keyboard-casiotone-ct-s500-portable-keyboard/?fbclid=IwAR0yoFJW-Yysa9HGw7tRQpbsWdfQ9Q4ndPR6aXJxrHvWQkp68LpXFyF3LrI


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EK6ut9O-Qo

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:06 pm 
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MEGA-POST COMING-UP - GRAB YOUR SNACKS!!! :D :D :D

I'm absolutely smiling from ear to ear, and you know what, the first thing that went through my head while reading up about the CT-S1000V was that this is the perfect instrument, they've done exactly what I wanted apart from the vocal thing I didn't need.

Then I saw the new CT-S500 released along-side it and THAT is the sort of keyboard I dreamed about, and here's why I like it so much:

- Quality full-size 5-octave keybed (Better than similar priced Korg, Roland and Yamaha keybeds)
- Large clear display in monochrome (Thank God cause I hate tiny or colour displays on gear)
- Minimalist interface and menu system (I mean could it get any easier and clearer?)
- AiX soundset (With control knobs on the same machine, finally)
- Sampling for melodic and drum samples (Endless sound scope there)
- Proper pitch change for the samples (Like we can finally do on the MKII)
- Programmable user accompaniment styles (Making it a full-on arranger too, not a preset box)
- Multi-Track MIDI Recorder (For whacking-out ideas all handly-like)
- Fully editable effects (I even see Touch-Wah cause CASIO understand Musicians needs)

I mean holy fucking shit, then you have the ability to sample standalone through analogue input (or even wirelessly if that's your thing). And that's just the CT-S500. That's my perfect keyboard right there because it LITERALLY has EVERYTHING I wanted and NOTHING I didn't want!

Seriously bro, fucking hell, if you could see the smile on my face :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Then if you want the vocal stuff, you can choose the S1000V instead, which is absolutely identical other then the addition of the Vocal Synthesis. What might surprise you though is that I'm not necesserily going to go for that over the CT-S500.

Like I said, when you've wanted something so exact for [i]such[/i] a long time and it finally arrives, it feels kinda weird to then say, right, OK, I'll go for the other model instead, the one that also has something I didn't want even though it has everything I did want.

I can't do that, the CT-S500 was made for me!!!

Also, the obsessive compultive in me also prefers the panel of the CT-S500, because if you look at the naming used on the two control knobs it is simply "K1" and "K2" and I absolutely love that, because I would be reassigning them quite a lot on a nice and easy design like that.

On the CT-S1000V those knobs are physically renamed due to the Vocal Synthesis stuff, and I don't like that for the same reason I don't like the FX buttons on the MKII having preset names on them.

Regards that Vocal Synthesis stuff though, it does go a lot deeper than might first appear. You can enter words, syllables, timing and play mode, sure, but you can also deep-edit the pronounciation engine if you are not happy with the way it's handling it, and you can even use custom waveforms for the speech synthesis to generate its speech. So it's a lot more awesome than might first appear, but what I don't like is that you need to use an app to do that, and to me that is absolutely unacceptable. When buying a vocal synthesiszer, all paramaters should be available on the vocal synthesizer, not an app!

So cool as it is, I personally am swayed more to the ST-S500 due to the panel being more like a blank canvas, doesn't need an app to perform any of its functions, and like I said, the CT-S500 is, quitel literally, my dream keyboard having EVERYTHING I want and NOTHING I don't.

FUCKING PERFECT!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Just like that I feel like I've gone from being the world's most unlucky gear-buying dude to being the luckiest dude on earth. The only thing I feel like giving CASIO a good arse kicking over is the lack of MIDI DIN, but I suppose they see the WIRELESS MIDI thing as the alternative.

One thing I find hard to believe is that they have given you a fully programmable accompaniment system IN the same unit as a synth AND a sampler AND at that price point, it is unheard of if they have, but it does say "User Rhythms" in the specs and that is what they often refer to them as - so wow!!!

I've been trying to find a download of the manual to look deeper at the sampling and user programmable accompaniment styles, just so that I don't have to keep pinching myself telling me it's all true -hahaha!

BTW, at two hours long it's a long sitting, but this was honestly the best product launch LiveStream I've seen, it was very enjoyable and I urge everyone to watch it if they have the time (some very nice stuff in there).

CASIO 2-Hour LiveStream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49pU9wdnR0


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:27 pm 
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It's not a real CasioTone keyboard unless it's got the 'Rock Rhythm 4 'preset though...
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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:18 pm 
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Nothing to see here homies, move along, move along ... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Looks like I was right to be weary about custom-accompaniment abilities, I thought that was a bit too good to be true and it is. All it can do is load custom accompaniment styles and store them, you cannot actually make them on the unit like the 'Big Daddy' CT-X5000 can.

I suppose that's the difference between CT-S and CT-X. I'm guessing the "S" stands for "Simple" (as in basic), and "X" stands for "X"treme or "X"tra-cool or summat like that. Ah well, was a nice dream while it lasted but I won't be buying any preset boxes, nor will I be buying a synthesizer not fit for purpose since its parameters reside on another fucking product!

But yeah, I just downloaded the User Manual and found out what's what, and I tell you what, anyone buying it for Sampling is going to be severely disappointed. It's so basic there are absolutely no ways to edit a sample, not even the start or end of a sample. And it gets even worse (believe it or not), because you might think, ah, well I suppose it has an adjustable trigger so that you can set it to auto-start sampling at the right time?

Nope, not even that (not that I can see anyway).

I think there are going to be a lot of seriously pissed-off people in the coming weeks if any of those people bought it thinking it has programmable accompaniment styles or even half decent sampling. I've honestly never seen such a pathetic excuse for a smapling system in my life, even the Yamaha PSR-E463 has a better one because at least on that one you can adjust the bloody trigger to prevent it being triggered by noise!

Waste of time I'm sorry to say, and CASIO fanboy that I am I wish them no success with it whatsoever (mainly for releasing a not fit for purpose synthesizer that requires another brands product in order to operate that synthesizer fully). In effect, the "Volcal Synthesis" becomes a brick as soon as CASIO stops updating the app for it, or Apple or Google break compatibility, and that is unacceptable, there should be laws in place preventing these practices.

Peeps might think to themselves, oh there he goes again, SP-USER whining his fucking head off, but what I am pointing out is 100% valid and it's just another example of the ever-expanding list of companies abusing and making a mockery of the consumer and getting away with it. They're getting away with it because the public have no power over anything the way the world is being run right now.

In order to protect the consumer, there should be laws against these practices, but there aren't any, and it's just another example of why the shit needs to hit the fan, and fast!

Governments worldwide need to fall with the public in control, and the power of tech giants wiped-out!


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:32 pm 
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That doesn’t surprise me this is a pathetic excuse for a sampler, and on paper it sounds like it’s got good features, buuuuuuuut, this is Casio after all. They just can’t get past their toy factory reputation. They clearly are mistaken if people are willing to drop $450/380 on a gimmick synth that just screams rip off. SP-USER, this would definitely be a waste of your cash. Get a SP404 mk2 instead! Ok, no keys, but I’m sure there are midi controllers built better than any Casio out there.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
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I was under the impression the letter 'S' prefix on the new Casio actually stands for shitty...

Literally all of their music gear in general is fucking terrible, atrociously badly made stuff..why on earth people would actually want this garbage is a mystery to begin with.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery New CASIO - 20th January 2022
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SP-USER, this would definitely be a waste of your cash. Get a SP404 mk2 instead! Ok, no keys, but I’m sure there are midi controllers built better than any Casio out there.

It was never intended to replace the 404MK-II, there is nothing on earth would stop me getting that. The reason I had my hopes up for the CASIO was as a synth to feed it.

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I was under the impression the letter 'S' prefix on the new Casio actually stands for shitty...

Literally all of their music gear in general is fucking terrible, atrociously badly made stuff..why on earth people would actually want this garbage is a mystery to begin with.

I don't agree that CASIO gear is shit, far from it, but in this case you're right. I certainly won't be buying one, that's for sure.

There are two things I absolutely refuse to support regardless of brand, and that is accompaniment keyboards where the accompaniemts cannot be programmed, from scratch, on the device. And synthesizers that cannot be programmed completely on the device.

Unfortunately these models suffer these vices on both counts, so fuck 'em, they can keep 'em!


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