http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF-o6NC4l1I

to go along with blue's post...

Now I realize we're all completely overloaded every day with music,news,internet clips,etc etc etc..to the point that a lot of people are becoming desensitized and don't realize it-but we're truly in the most important moments of modern history right now..in this country,and the rest of the world.Take a moment to truly soak in what lupe's saying and the emotion behind it-this isn't just big hollywood entertainment right here. If this would have been on the grammy's or something that high profile-this would be the most monumental and gutsy performance of all time by an m.c.. unfortunately it was just the colbert show,and will be forgotten in a couple days.

Don't know if this song has been officially released yet,gotta assume it probably has,maybe not though... i'm gonna check it out...11

yea,it's from lupe's latest album "lasers"-which i've seriously been sleeping on.

that live performance was OFF THE CHAIN

track is really good too

tracks bout these topics are hard to pull off but Lupe did a great job. it's just always a lot deeper than you what you can fit into some bars, and you gotta kinda simplify situations to get the point accross...you can't write a bar for every angle of every situation, which is why I often wind up scrapping shit that I write along these lines...it's almost like the songwriting medium doesn't give you enough depth within the structure of a song people can digest to really get into it

thats why you gotta do a 22 part epic like trapped in the closet. do make sure to include all types of people not just the tall ones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyvzfgxY0kc

....^^other than a thinly veiled attempt to get under a particular person's skin-I'm really failing to see the point of your post. But regardless,you gotta come to a point in your life where you see that not any and everything in life is something we should try and turn into a joke. You're stretching it a just little bit man.......

Was he trying to be serious when he wrote this?

"it's almost like the songwriting medium doesn't give you enough depth within the structure of a song people can digest to really get into it"
i think within a thread that exists because of the colbert report there is room for a little fun. it wasn't malicious, i'm making fun of r.kelly more than anything, a guy who has the means to create and market a length of song that CAN hold a whole ton of meaningful shit but instead drops a turd from a songwriting standpoint. calling me out for no reason

I didn't call you out for no reason....and this thread doesn't exist because of the colbert report-it exists because of the state our country and the world is in right now,it exists because of the life and death issues fiasco is addressing in this song-it's nothing to be taken lightly. There's room for humor all over this board-but if you truly have any compassion for the issues behind this particular thread,it wouldn't even enter your mind to put a pointless r kelly link up from 5 years ago-if you truly cared about the issues behind this thread,the first thing that would come into your mind would be to expand on those thoughts,not "what could i add that would be funny?".....you can say i'm being too serious-but personally,i'd really like there to still be a world left for my childrens children. We all have to maintain a sense of humor,and have escapes from our "reality"-but these are very serious times. I don't have a personal problem with you, that should be obvious from my interactions w you the last few days,and me and counts attempted interaction w/you-but,you can never tell if you're on the same wavelength as another person..i just had to let it be known i personally find it disrespectful to make a joking matter out of things a man like me will live and die for...not something to beef about-just something to think about.

On another note,it's fucking GREAT to see wanka zomb pop his little head into a thread again after several months the first time he thinks senses some tension from me.

[quote="a.D."]I didn't call you out for no reason....and this thread doesn't exist because of the colbert report-it exists because of the state our country and the world is in right now,it exists because of the life and death issues fiasco is addressing in this song-it's nothing to be taken lightly. There's room for humor all over this board-but if you truly have any compassion for the issues behind this particular thread,it wouldn't even enter your mind to put a pointless r kelly link up from 5 years ago-if you truly cared about the issues behind this thread,the first thing that would come into your mind would be to expand on those thoughts,not "what could i add that would be funny?".....you can say i'm being too serious-but personally,i'd really like there to still be a world left for my childrens children. We all have to maintain a sense of humor,and have escapes from our "reality"-but these are very serious times. I don't have a personal problem with you, that should be obvious from my interactions w you the last few days,and me and counts attempted interaction w/you-but,you can never tell if you're on the same wavelength as another person..i just had to let it be known i personally find it disrespectful to make a joking matter out of things a man like me will live and die for...not something to beef about-just something to think about.

I'm not trying to be in favor of either or, but A.D. is absolutley correct. I have always had a great sense of humor and always up for a good laugh, good times and all that. But once you come to the obvious realization of what the fuck is really going on and the few hundred people that are channelling our fate, your whole perspective on everything in the current world and how it operates deals a sobering blow. Most importantly the current devaluation of the dollar(formally worlds top currency), trillions of dollars spent on illegal wars(we pay for), very suspicious terrorist reports, and don't forget the recent Bin Laden story....none of it by accident. It really amazes me how they are so "concerned" the people of the middle east's(poppy farmers) well being, but completely ignore what is going on just south of our border with the cartels and what not. But..if you look at the big picture, it's quite clear that our government is nothing more than a cartel itself allowing them to operate under them freely between the two borders, and laundering the money through major banks that a lot of you probably bank at. If you think it's only sort of bad right now, you just wait. If enough people see this before it's too late there is hope.

i saw that shit and it was really good.

on the flip; damn everybodies so paranoid lately. I'm not saying you're wrong but why is it that everything has to go back to conspiricy theorists bickering. why aren't their any environmentalists, liberals, social workers, etc, etc... getting heated on this site. Always the same jazz.
But it came to me while I was watching Colbert actually; if you TRULY are adament about bucking the system, there is a very possible way and it's not all that hard. You and everyone you know (really over 75% of America would need to) relenquish all worldly possesions. Just keep survival gear and the clothes on your back. If this was done, no one could be controlled any more by the current monetary prison we dwell in today. I mean this is the ass ignoring the carrot. Now ask yourself, can you do it???

then go watch "limit of control"

I wasn't offended by it, I guess maybe I am a lil more light-hearted. Plus IIIII and I (wow that looks funny) have some work going on behind the scenes. We are def cool so I didn't take it as even remotely offensive...but I get what you are saying, a.D...I'm kind of in the middle tho, b/c it's like what are you or IIIII, or me really going to do that is going to change anything?? It's good to be aware of the problems in the world, and to try to educate your friends and family if they are ignorant, but at the end of the day the ride on the merri-go-round doesn't last forever and I don't know how productive it is to spend time brooding over negativity that falls outside of what one can truly control.



I actually got your joke and found nothing wrong with it, man



once again I agree with you and respect your passion bout it, but you are kinda jumping down IIIII's throat...at the end of the day we are free to think what we want.



But what is your information source?? How can you be sure that your information isn't just a bunch of conspiracy theory rambling. I just really wanna know what makes this information you are referencing so true. Have you not had the logic to ask yourself whether or not that is all just a bunch of mumbo jumbo as well?? I'm not saying believe the government, I'm saying don't believe just anything that contains a message you find appealing. Ask yourself if the information you are consuming and basing so much of your world view on is in fact 100% truth. I know for a fact that you can't prove that, the sources containing all the ideas you are referencing are not verifiable and could be just as full of shit as what you hear in the media. I really wish people would wake up and realize that all that conspiracy shit is just a counter-flow to the media, falsehoods and ideologies that appeal to sensationalism, it's just flowing in the opposite direction. Think for yourself. I know you think that is what you are doing, but you are not!!



no offense to you dude, but for real you must not have kids or any real responsibilities/obligations. something like that sounds great but I mean, really??? that's a viable course of action? what are we gonna do start living like cave people to again?? to escape the agony of the world we live in, it's so fucking horrible sitting here on the internet freely typing our thoughts and making music and making money and having sex and loving and living life...gimme a fucking break for real. It isn't that bad

This thread kinda spun out of control...but to get back to original topic...

Mega props to Lupe Fiasco. The song is really dope and it's prob the hardest song topic to do a good job on and still have it be dope music.

Let's see if i can address everyone here without spending too much time--

First if we all have the attitude of "what can any of us do that will really change anything"-nothing will ever change. But I can guarantee you things will change signifigantly in the next few decades,because we're at a point in time where more people than ever have the mindset that they CAN make a change. Making true change in a society is a collective effort of the people,not the result of the efforts of one single person.

to be clear-i am not a conspiracy theorist,at least in terms of how it's normally defined. But Dorkus was just stating point blank facts-we have spent trillions of dollars on unnessesary wars-and our country picks and chooses what wars we go into based on the monetary value behind them and whatever else "we" can gain-Not the bullshit reason we're constantly givin of 'creating democracy".Once again we're involving ourselves in libya,another place we get oil from,and not involving ourselves in conflicts in other parts of the world just as serious-where they have no resources we can pilfer. This is just fact,not conspiracy.

And once again jbl is asking me what i personally am willing to do,like on another thread where he asked if i do anything to help people..i won't get into that particular convo-but,once again,yes jbl-i have done that in the past. & i've had alot of friends that have done the same,travelling the country hopping trains,panhandeling,squatting,dumpster diving for food,etc-it's a chosen way of life and a political statement-not just people being homeless bums. But this is obviously not the answer,because you're falling right into the trap even deeper if you let the world put you in such a position. It should be a basic human right to have food,clothing,and shelter..and like sinapse said,it's just not realistic-espescially when you have a family to raise & hope to live past 40 or 50.

Lastly- teaching our children,people around us,etc- this is the most important part in creating change in the future- so yes, we all CAN have an impact on the future. And any artist in any medium should feel the responsibility to in some way inspire new ways of thinking both socially and politically-unfortunately,there's not enough "artists" that go into what they do for the right reasons. And even sadder, a lot of artists that speak on issues have alterior motives,and don't really stand behind what they're talking about,or spew endless conspiracy theory shit,creating more parinoia.Which is why i was pretty blown awy by lupe's performance- he stuck to straight forward issues that effect the people,& again,he's the first major mc to actually call obama on his shit-and that took a lot of balls.

My other main point though-and that just concerns this board-just show some common respect...i don't think there's a coincidence in the fact that i started the thread by stating how wer'e constantly overloaded with media bullshit,including random dumb ass you tube videos-and one of the first responses i get is a dumb ass youtube video.

a.D. you are a thinker I def respect you for that

Not surprisingly, since this is just text on a screen, my point got a lil misconstrued...I do many things to create an enlightened and empowered existence for myself and my family. I came to the conclusion long ago that these are really the only things I can truly control on a day to day basis. I can't control other people's thoughts. All I can do is seek truth and teach my kids to seek truth.

I feel like a lot of the things Dorkus mentioned - which you supported as valid, and they are - have been going on since there have been governments with citizens, haves and have nots. All of the details are not that important and any kind of conspiracy theorist saying they really know whats up is fooling themselves. This is really nothing new and it will never change, it's just the magnitude is greater and we are more able to see what is going on. Some people can run for office or become activists or whatever, I sprinkle lots of empowering and though provoking messages in my art but beyond that I'm not going brood over negative things which truly are out of my hands.

@a.d.
Never said it was that bad. And if it were easy everybody would be doing it. Kind of like blogging/posting. I just stated an idea that would probably work if we wanted a fairly non-violent revolution.