No doubt. I actually don't even have a microwave. I just use the stove.
Now toaster ovens on the other hand.....

This is a hot thread for sure... I'm only half way up on everything that's been said, but if I could jump in real quick... I'd have to say F**CK THE FDA!!!

They're some financially motivated corrupt-ass-motherf**ckers! and the other half of their sh*t... the drug side of things... is even worse. The more money that stands to be made, the more corruption will follow... and it's our country's political and economic structure that enable and supports such an ill climate of sh*tting on people and taking their money at the same time.

Just because a drug has been approved doesn't mean it won't have crazy side effects and create more problems further down the road. Scientist can be bought and research can be fabricated, or at least edited to serve either side of an argument. Always gotta look at who's doing the research, and where they get their money to do said research.

I apologize if any of this is rehashing what has already been said, as I mentioned I still gotta finish catching up on this thread. Good stuff tho people!

NOTE: just finished reading. Really good debate goin on... I think this stuff is all very significant (for my 2 cents worth). I agree with jbl that there is a lot more messed up sh*t to worry about, but technically, realizing the utter manipulation of the general populous... on pretty much every level of our daily lives... can only be a good thing.

you have yet to say where. if you say they weren't invented for the nazi war effort, ok, that's a position and that's great, much better than writing the whole thing off, but the history wasn't really what concerned me. with apologies to JBL, imo it's really not about who's funnier. i'm not trying to pick a fight *at all*, but it bothers me when people are dismissive of outré information without really considering it, or giving concrete reasons for their opinion. most of the page is a detailed breakdown of how microwaves ovens work, and seems pretty rational. if they got facts wrong i want to hear them. i still use a microwave! but i don't like to see controversial points of view summarily dismissed, and saying that anyone who believes that point of view is a moron seems small minded. yes, there are bigger issues (to me), and yes, (Count) fuck the FDA. i feel like there can be this tendency for people to scoff at ideas they are unfamiliar with, or which contradict the ideas of the majority. this is what i'm trying to fight, not anyone in particular, so don't take it personally. anyway the whole thing reminds me of this comic:

http://xkcd.com/386/

to sum up, since we're pretty far off the original thread, if you live in the states, and you eat spinach and lettuce, and you don't want to them to have been irradiated, buy organic.

word up man... definitely a useful piece of info.

on a lighter note, when I first saw the topic of this thread I thought it was gonna be about something called "fuck-salad"... which sounded like a really nice alternative to the traditional caesar. Bout time somebody came along and shook up the salad game!

I don't disagree with that thought at all, but I wouldn't blindly take for granted that all that's labeled 'organic' really is organic.

Still, what's life without taking a few risks here and there.



So it doesn't surprise you that the one guy that really invented the actual microwave doesn't even get mentioned there... like not at all mentioned?

I'm pretty sure that if we start to dig deeper into the article that we'll find loads more of this kind of 'misinformation'. I'm pretty sure there are loads of claims in there that aren't supported with actual proof or not quite the full truth.

After all using the same argument that's been used in the article ... why did the Russians lift the ban on using microwaves even when it was supposedly dangerous enough to put a ban on in the first place???

Really, the article is totally out to scare people... not quite all that scientific. I have to admit that I haven't tested the effects of using my microwave, but using a mobile phone probably is way more harmful.

It's all debatable homie:

http://www.microwave-ovens.com/whoinven ... rowave.cfm



anyways... I don't think anyone needs to be jumped on for posting "false info"... iG9 put it out there, and everyone can either take it or let it alone.

i wasn't really allowing the "who created it" correction was accurate. i don't think any of us has a real knowledge of electronic development history, we're just coming up with competing web sites. so someone offering an alternative history didn't really discredit the original site to me. and yeah, organic isn't perfect, but as long as i have to shop primarily in grocery stores it's probably my best bet.

Well, regardless of whether or not you believe he had his little 'chocolate' accident or not, he was still the one proposing the microwave for commercial use... I think it's not wrong to give him credit for that, after all much of the theory behind how magnetrons and later microwaves work was thought of and 'invented' before the nazis ever existed.

So... I'd say regardless of the myth-or-not-myth story about exploding eggs and molten chocolate, Spencer should have been mentioned instead of 'nazis'. Because honestly... mentioning 'nazis' in this context doesn't make much sense at all.



For the sake of argument, there's a crucial difference between radio waves used for radar technology (contrary to what's suggested that usually does not carry heat so to speak) and the electromagnetic spectrum of sunlight that's visible to the human eye. Perhaps I'm reading to much into it, but he's suggesting it's the exact same thing, which is simply not true.

I do not doubt that one could have come to the same conclusion without a 'chocolate' incident, but more often than not these inventions don't get designed by people, but more so stumbled across.

At the same time, I do not really know whether the story is a myth or not though.



Well, I for one did not post any website links as I do not put much faith in what's being written on the internet. If you look at an encyclopedia instead, you'll find the story I've posted here. I put more faith in a real encyclopedia, than Wikipedia or whatever other website that contains information written by random people who make big claims. At the same time, my encyclopedia here might have errors also. Who knows.

I don't jump on anyone here when it comes to knowledge/truth or whatever though, peace to y'all.

I just think it's slightly odd to totally believe or trust this website in particular, perhaps mainly because that website appeals to you more?

I mean, mentioning 'Nazis' when it's about a commercial application of some technology in the same field of science... is a lot like stating that nuclear energy is actually a bad thing because you can use the same technology for making atomic bombs that could kill millions. Sure, there's some sense in that, however there were a lot of things invented during wars that made there way into commercial applications we're used to nowadays... calling them 'nazi' inventions simply gives far to much credit to them.

Are you guys talking about nazi salad?

totally...

Yo PHeMox... I'm not discrediting your theory of who invented the microwave... just saying that history lies, and facts get twisted... even on some shit as inconsequential as this (the true inventor of the microwave).

There are already a grip of reasons to eat organic and keep them birds free-range imo... this is just one more to consider.

At the same time, I would agree with you... the label, "organic" can also be used as a marketing tool, and we should question everything.

EDIT: Yes Wax... that's what I was refering to anyways...

Come on man... how can you argue with www.microwave-ovens.com?

Lol, my point exactly.

It's true that Spencer was a Raytheon engineer involved in creating the microwave oven. (from that website)

I'll leave it at this one quote to stop the thread from further derailing.. lol oops I guess, but I do not disagree with for example this at all. In fact, it's proving my point as I already admitted that I have no first hand knowledge of whether the accident happened or not. I do find it curious that it's mentioned in my encyclopedia if it's a myth, but it's possible. It's not like this book labeled encyclopedia can not be wrong.

Also, Marvin Bock also gets mentioned in my encyclopedia, but not as "lead designer" so to speak, but solely as engineer who also worked on the project. Odd.



That makes me wonder what would qualify as nazi salad. :p


Lol, low and behold... it's in the internets;

Persimmon, Pomegranate and Pecan Salad

Ingredients:
• 1 large pomegranate
• 4 ribs celery
• 2 small persimmons (or 1 large)
• 1/2 cup pecan pieces, toasted
• 8 ounces mixed baby salad greens, washed and spun dry
• 1 large lemon, zest grated
• 1 tablespoon extra-virgin olive oil
• Kosher salt
• Freshly ground black pepper
• 1/4 to 1/2 cup crumbled feta cheese (optional)

Directions:
To remove the pomegranate seeds, make a cut near the blossom end of the fruit, submerge the pomegranate in a bowl of water and pull the fruit apart with your fingers. The seeds will sink to the bottom of the bowl. Discard the fruit; drain the seeds and set aside; there should be about 1/2 cup.
Use a mandoline or a V-slicer to cut the peeled celery on the diagonal into paper-thin slices, then transfer to a large salad bowl along with any of the celery leaves. Core the persimmons, cut them vertically into quarters and then crosswise into 1/4-inch slices; add them to the bowl, along with the toasted pecans, salad greens, reserved pomegranate seeds and strands of lemon zest. Drizzle in the oil, squeeze in some lemon juice to taste and season with salt and pepper to taste. Toss to combine and sprinkle with cheese to taste, if desired. Serve immediately.
-The Washington Post, November 14, 2007

MMMmmmmmm.....

LOL... yes dude... that salad nazi shit is funny as hell.

SIDE NOTE: I saw some cat on Iron Chef remove the seeds from a pomegranate by tearing it into a couple pieces (maybe thirds or quarters) and then whacking it with a wooden spoon on the outer skin... all the seeds fell right out. It was straight bad ass!

i've got a persimmon tree in my back yard, thanks for the recipe their almost in season. actually the funniest thing yet is hxc defending microwaves (but doesn't have one) and ig9 bashin em (and he has one). ahhhhhhh....... the irony.
that's like w. bush keeping cocaine illegal while he was actually using or promoting it, that could never happen, right?

And on a forum dedicated to sampling drum machines no less!!

Oh what do you think of this on page 5 of the SP-606 manual:

The sensitivity of the D Beam controller will change depending on the amount of light in the vicinity of the unit. If it does not function as you expect, adjust the sensitivity as appropriate for the brightness of your location.

http://www.roland.com/products/en/exp/D_BEAM.html

If I get a tumor on my D-Beam hand Roland is so sued!!!