Here's my thing:

Not everyone has the same SP - Does that mean that the dude with an SP-606 and the dude with the SP-202 are on an even playing field?

Also, regarding bouncing to tape, here's my thought: If you bounce to tape, isn't that essentially the exact same thing as bouncing to another SP? Either way, you can accomplish the same result.

So I fail to see the difference. Just my two cents.

i always thought the one box rule was cool, like see what you can get when limiting yourself. but, like many others, i use multiple machines when i work, so I don't mess with the beat battles. i listen to the submitted tracks, though, and they're impressive, and they've inspired me to learn the resample method, but i always do better with more gear. i have my workflow. the one time i used one box it was for the video game flips tape, and i was pretty meh about my beat.

i guess my point is, if you don't like the rules, don't play!

You guys got good points. I need to clarify my quoting of kel as i misinterpreted it. I meant bouncing to tape or digital for final eq compression. Not bouncing back and forth. Funk that. Like tim said kinda makes the one sp rule pointless. Yep we used to have open battles where anything goes as far as equipment. Person setting up battle makes rules. Sp battles for strict one sp kung fu. Open battles to flex muscle on whatever equipment. I know u cats gettn busy could handle the both

^ I think this should be the "core" of the rules, yet the winner of a battle should be able to alter them when it comes to starting a new battle. Like "This time you can use up to 3 SP's!" or only post a sample and allow you guys to pick your own drums.

Yup. The point's to flip the same samples harder than the next person.
Fair call, but I tell ya as a 606er I'm routinely blown away by what some here can do with a 202 & a 4 track. 606 may have have loads of FX & sample time but that's no make-or-break thing. 202's got real pitch (turntable style), super lo-fi & an awesome filter, who wouldn't want those? Remember 202's got no resample & no sequencer, so why not give them a boost?

Besides nobody ever voted based on the SP used (at least I hope they didn't)... The best flip ought to win, not the dude with the most credible SP. Also multiple SPs is different to SP+tape bounce: 505+555 (benefits: FX, pitch, visual edit, looper, 4 track sequencer, USB audio) is really different to 2x404s (dual DJFX FTW!). That's why we used to keep battles to a 1 SP standard.

Maybe an easier option is no bouncing, just record as many layers to the recorder as you want.

Forgot to +1 Lodger on Sampletracks.

meantime there aren't any open sp challenges/battles running rn (only a sampletrak one). point of these things imo is 2 get the creative process moving and k.i.m.

nobody outchea calculating obtuse battle stat percentages 2 see who gets a shiny ribbon or a hall of fame nod or some shit. this is about making.

why not have more than one challenge running concurrently? why not start a challenge now? i'm talkin 2 u, sparky. and u.

and most of all, i'm talking 2 u.

I liked “one box rule, no bouncing”, but we have to develop to. Im with kel.
And as riPaddo wrote let the following be our principal rule
- 2 samples (main and drum)
- one SP only
- no outside nothing
- digital or tape bounce, final EQ/compression OK
The interest for SPBB might rise
I think that STBB has taken over as open battle… There I can use my Kaoss Pad to. But let the winner set up additional rules.

Dont think we need to vote about this.

Tomorrow or Friday I will submit for the running SP Challenge, then ask the host HS (you put the HS in host bro) if he wants to set up the poll.

About having more battles.. The challenge was born late in August and has 8 submissions, and battle 141 ran for over 2 weeks and got 3 entries. If we had more battles they would be duels.

Not that I have anything against it. I love the fact that anyone can pose a challenge at any time.

P.S.
I agree with Kel and them about those basic rules, bendable to the choices of the host.

I think the winner should loosely add/alter a rule in their own way like someone said before.

I have my gripes about the one SP rule. I love my 202 and if it could resample i would use it exclusively but it doesnt and i use it with a 404.
I learned to make beats in FL Studio then switched to Ableton. Pitching samples is how i make beats.

recording to tape is necessary for ones with just a 202 so that seems fine.

It seems hard to expect people to stick to just one SP.. we say it all the time here and in the production community "its not your equipment that matters, its you"

I think as long as your using SPs...it should count.

I dont see the advantages/disadvantages. Correct me if im wrong. But all SPs have the same core effects/features for the most part. except for true pitch (202), looping (555), and synths (606).
We dont allow synths most of the time..looping is hardly an advantage..
I could see how pitching is kinda unfair but...It doesn't make your beat doper.

One SP makes sense in a resample challenge but for regular battles it just seems like a hindrance.

If we put rules on that then we should put rules on what your allowed to bounce to because some people have regular tape decks, some have cassette 4 tracks and some people even have digital multitrack recorders.
Its not fair to the guy with just a walkman or tape deck against a guy with a digital multitrack.

Idk..lol id gladly adhere to the one sp rule if my 202 could resample and had a drums/one shot setting.