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 Post subject: Forget computers....less is more!
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:26 pm 
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Fuck computers......there is a huge difference between being a producer and a sound engineer. F.U.C.K computers!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:15 pm 
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Your sampler is a computer, so by that sense we should all go play sitars and hand drums. Which i'm totally fine with.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:24 pm 
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Your sampler is a computer, so by that sense we should all go play sitars and hand drums. Which i'm totally fine with.


i didn't knew that...i considered this (the sampler) more like a recorder with more possibilities...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:23 pm 
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Fuck computers......there is a huge difference between being a producer and a sound engineer. F.U.C.K computers!


Good thing we as artists / producers / music makers don't need to know how the internal electronics of either kind of machine work.

Nowadays samplers are definitely more and more full computers, but that's alright. It also means we can do a whole lot more with them.

I have to agree though I am mainly a pure dedicated hardware kind of guy for sure, even though potentially a hardware + upgradable software will be very powerful, it's no guarantee for good or better results musically.

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The difference between hardware music gear and computers,

is not in the actual electronics..


It's the fact that hardware music gear has a DEDICATED interface. completely designed for just one single application.

also it avoids 'relativistic' controls - eg: the buttons on a mouse only work when the mouse is in a certain spot, but if you move the mouse without knowing where it currently is, you wont know where it ends up. add to that things like having windows that are constantly opening/closing/moving. .

it means you have to keep checking 'where things are' rather than just reaching for the 'X' knob/button and turning/pushing it.

I think also, having all the information 'within' the screen - kind of sucks you into another world, - your headspace is inside the computer screen, rather than sitting in your room at a desk.

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cartesia wrote:
The difference between hardware music gear and computers,

is not in the actual electronics..


It's the fact that hardware music gear has a DEDICATED interface. completely designed for just one single application.

also it avoids 'relativistic' controls - eg: the buttons on a mouse only work when the mouse is in a certain spot, but if you move the mouse without knowing where it currently is, you wont know where it ends up. add to that things like having windows that are constantly opening/closing/moving. .

it means you have to keep checking 'where things are' rather than just reaching for the 'X' knob/button and turning/pushing it.

I think also, having all the information 'within' the screen - kind of sucks you into another world, - your headspace is inside the computer screen, rather than sitting in your room at a desk.


this reply = computer

the original post = hardware

haha! :mrgreen: just joking man

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Platypus Beird wrote:
cartesia wrote:
The difference between hardware music gear and computers,

is not in the actual electronics..


It's the fact that hardware music gear has a DEDICATED interface. completely designed for just one single application.

also it avoids 'relativistic' controls - eg: the buttons on a mouse only work when the mouse is in a certain spot, but if you move the mouse without knowing where it currently is, you wont know where it ends up. add to that things like having windows that are constantly opening/closing/moving. .

it means you have to keep checking 'where things are' rather than just reaching for the 'X' knob/button and turning/pushing it.

I think also, having all the information 'within' the screen - kind of sucks you into another world, - your headspace is inside the computer screen, rather than sitting in your room at a desk.


this reply = computer

the original post = hardware

haha! :mrgreen: just joking man



I don't understand. like.. I have no idea what you're joking about :oops:

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Fuck computers......there is a huge difference between being a producer and a sound engineer. F.U.C.K computers!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:08 am 
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mattbass wrote:
Fuck computers......there is a huge difference between being a producer and a sound engineer. F.U.C.K computers!


-_-


:D :D eheheh....

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:45 am 
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It's the fact that hardware music gear has a DEDICATED interface. completely designed for just one single application.


Yeah and to me this is why hardware music gear will always be my first choice. I sort of like the multi-functionality of computers, don't get me wrong... but ultimately it always seems to slow me down.

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Fuck computers......there is a huge difference between being a producer and a sound engineer. F.U.C.K computers!


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Hahaha, that made me laugh too.

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no matter what you own for gear, hardware and software, there is always a middle ground where new things can be created.

neglecting hardware because its old or expensive can be just as a bad decision as completely neglecting computers

do what you got to do to get the job done.

if its hip hop its easier to dismiss computers because you are just slicing and sampling

but good luck finding a midi step sequencer easier to use than fl studio or a better way to work with loops and pieces of songs youve made than ableton live.

there is absolutely no reason it has to be a big COMPUTERS VS. HARDWARE debate because they are both capable of banging tracks even if you cant get the workflow down on one or the other.

but im going to make all my samples and loops in hardware and arrange them in a computer because it sounds better for my music

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neglecting hardware because its old or expensive can be just as a bad decision as completely neglecting computers


Yep, but relying on computers often also means having to deal with the frustration of 'software' bugs. For some reason software tends to be loaded with bugs for months before they are ironed out.

I may be biased here, because I had a DAW like program crash on me today when I was recording guitar riffs, but really... it can stink if it's buggy.

I'm not going to claim dedicated music hardware is free of bugs as that would be false and ignorant, but there's certainly a better chance the manufacturer made sure it's as bugfree as possible so it's actually useful without frustration of random crashes all over the place. :evil:

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I may be biased here, because I had a DAW like program crash on me today when I was recording guitar riffs, but really... it can stink if it's buggy.


good thing Ableton has infinite undo and saves each action into a backup file that will load your exact project if for some reason it gets shut down without saving.

this way nothing is ever lost :)

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but good luck finding a midi step sequencer easier to use than fl studio or a better way to work with loops and pieces of songs youve made than ableton live.



It depends entirely on how you like working..!

I hate using software sequencers.. I find hardware seqs way easier and more fun too.

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but good luck finding a midi step sequencer easier to use than fl studio or a better way to work with loops and pieces of songs youve made than ableton live.



It depends entirely on how you like working..!

I hate using software sequencers.. I find hardware seqs way easier and more fun too.


i would like a hardware sequencer with 8 rows of 8 steps except that the only one that exists is the monome which runs off of MAX/MSP and a computer.

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