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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:28 am 
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plug the outputs into the inputs and fx sends then twist the dials, works on small mixers, can get good bass sounds , sirens , and squelches, i was tripping out that i dont have any real synthezisers so got a microkorg, it can do some cool new things, if you mess with the matrix, the computer editor was useless, maybe if i had a whole new patch library to import it would be uselfull. the black electribe rompler is ok too as a midi synth, the pink electribe es1 is good for midi, and difficult to make new patches and patterns.
then i got a monotron duo and delay and volca bass, its all kind of different but all buzzy and noisy and turns into a buzzy mush, so try the mixer idea and it can be a sine wave and its cool for bass wobbles, a good idea is distort them with the inputs then youu can turn them down a bit.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:30 pm 
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I find the computer editor to be pretty useful myself, although I tend to just grab patches from around the internet and mess with them on the fly (if at all). Lazy.

If you want, I can send you what I have on my microKORG right now, some of them are pretty alright.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:24 pm 
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plug the outputs into the inputs and fx sends then twist the dials, works on small mixers,


This is legit. Mixer feedback processed with SP FX has been my main instrument for about 15 years or more.. before that I was experimenting with input-looped tascam 244 and guitar pedals. With a basic mixer the tone controls can pull out just about any frequency within and outside the range of human hearing.

My stuff is probably at the farther limits of experimental/noise improv for most y'all but check it out if you want to hear what's possible when you spend some years at it (just one example):

https://idealstatenonumberseries.bandca ... stillation

Another guy who's been at it a long, long time is Toshimaru Nakamura... uses one or more mixers in combo with cheap rack gear for processing. Calls the setup NIMB (No Input Mixing Board).. here's a nice example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6r9lhnGm8

Pulling out individual tones and sampling for basslines etc for use in other genres is of course great; outside using the setup as an instrument in and of itself.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:41 pm 
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yea the budget korg bass seems like, it could have more wave forms, with echo, the monotron delay is almost more usefull than all the other synths. still didnt try volca keys, or that other volca synth, im sure i can do without any more volcas now. volca sample is flagship, and if they are all the same price, then its tthe best deal.


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yo kind of reminds me when i sampled a electronic dog whistle and pitched it back down to bass.

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If you want, I can send you what I have on my microKORG right now, some of them are pretty alright.[/quote]
yo if i can muster up some patience and disable the write protector , i will check it out.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:02 pm 
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Well fuck....Now I gotta buy a mixer!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:33 am 
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l i f wrote:
This is legit. Mixer feedback processed with SP FX has been my main instrument for about 15 years or more.. before that I was experimenting with input-looped tascam 244 and guitar pedals. With a basic mixer the tone controls can pull out just about any frequency within and outside the range of human hearing.

Another guy who's been at it a long, long time is Toshimaru Nakamura... uses one or more mixers in combo with cheap rack gear for processing. Calls the setup NIMB (No Input Mixing Board).. here's a nice example:

I have some questions:

What can a mixer with a lot of channels do?

What effects would go well with this type of music?

Have you ever damaged a mixer doing this?

Can you recommend any other artists who make similar music to Toshimaru Nakamura?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:57 am 
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attached is minimal techno break , still buzzy, and less musical compared to an actual synthesizer, i was watching these interviews of european techno people that only use analog gear, like a room full of cables and racks to make a kick drum synth sound. it gets kind of crazy, i dont use a computer much for anything, actually would rather always lay it down start to finish manually.

i mean, i made all the sounds in that beat, with my berigner xenyx mixer, dont know the exact formulas and technical names, i sequenced it with the 404 , but there is ways to make glitchy drum loops too. with mixer synth


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:30 am 
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i used 1 channel output to input and then took the line out rca and put it on channel 2 then they kind of modulate each other, there is probably lots of types of crazy sounds to make. , i dont think you can break anything, maybe your speakers. because the noise is super loud, you can record it distorted and turn it down or lower your input and shape it however .


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:43 pm 
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Vivian wrote:
I have some questions:

What can a mixer with a lot of channels do?

What effects would go well with this type of music?

Have you ever damaged a mixer doing this?

Can you recommend any other artists who make similar music to Toshimaru Nakamura?


Saw your PM but might as well answer here...

There's no limit to how many channels you can run, the size of the mixer or even the number of mixers you can chain up at once (like modular synths, you're only limited by the number of cables you own). The more channels, patches etc you have running though, the more complicated it gets and more unpredictable the results - channels and signals start influencing each other in really unexpected ways at times... while it is easy to get some skronky, ugly sounds, it can take hours of fiddling to pull out interesting tones and timbres. The slightest adjustment of a knob can cause an explosion of feedback, so playing live is a massive exercise in concentration and zen-like control of small-motor muscles.

Effects - well, anything, really. Reverbs are good for controlling the swell of feedback, filters are also especially useful. I tend to stay away from flange/phaser/chorus effects set to auto sweep.. they tend to create sounds i think of as cheesy. It's all a matter of taste, tho', and what you're after. I like to pull out really grainy, glitched tones out of the background noise and try to avoid the ground-hum and beltching/pops of stuff cranked up. Hooking stuff up with the sp808 i usually use any number of reverb patches, easy-delay and enhancer mainly, sometimes the vinyl sims for the grit and pop. Now I have a 404sx included in the mix i find the chorus/tremelo-pan/slicer/djfxlooper and pitch my go-to patches.
Toshimaru collects cheap/broken rack units - i hear a lot of delay/verb/chorus/compression in his work, plus I'm pretty sure he builds up layers with a looper or the like.

I have never damaged a mixer, no. I did however burn out two record-channels on my four track back in the day.. never got them repaired. The samplers and mixer have always handled the hottest signals without fault.
A friend who I perform in a live duo with burnt out a speaker during a session doing the same thing, but that's another issue. To protect speakers I have in the past used a Tascam portable recorder with the input-volume set to 2 between the output and speakers to act as a limiter, but havn't had to in recent years just using a set of logitec computer-speakers (2 tweeters and sub) for performance, that or hooked directly to PA system.

Similar artists to Toshimaru? Well, there are many people I'm aware of who incorporate mixer-feedback into larger/other systems, but it really is T.M. who has specialised in it exclusively since the early 2000's. He's really in a class of his own.

Tabletop guitarist Keith Rowe uses one with his guitar-setup.
Andrea Neumann uses one in tandem with an open piano-frame.
Migual A. Garcia uses one with amplified objects/contact mics
If I can think of more I'll add to the list, but there are surely as many no-input improvisers as there are SP owners.

This, in the meantime is probably my favourite Toshimaru album, duo with acoustic guitar: https://naturebliss.bandcamp.com/album/ ... nism-kk020

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:48 pm 
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l i f wrote:
... but there are surely as many no-input improvisers as there are SP owners.


Just read this again and realised it is very likely not true..

But the rest is.

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l i f wrote:
LO- wrote:
plug the outputs into the inputs and fx sends then twist the dials, works on small mixers,


This is legit. Mixer feedback processed with SP FX has been my main instrument for about 15 years or more.. before that I was experimenting with input-looped tascam 244 and guitar pedals. With a basic mixer the tone controls can pull out just about any frequency within and outside the range of human hearing.

My stuff is probably at the farther limits of experimental/noise improv for most y'all but check it out if you want to hear what's possible when you spend some years at it (just one example):

https://idealstatenonumberseries.bandca ... stillation

Another guy who's been at it a long, long time is Toshimaru Nakamura... uses one or more mixers in combo with cheap rack gear for processing. Calls the setup NIMB (No Input Mixing Board).. here's a nice example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6r9lhnGm8

Pulling out individual tones and sampling for basslines etc for use in other genres is of course great; outside using the setup as an instrument in and of itself.


dopeness! i'm experimenting with this isn...

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