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 Post subject: bass wobble tips 2
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:39 am 
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instead of re uppling this viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8545
bass wobble tips 1, I am making bass wobble tips 2 because I found a better way that usues just 404.

there is pretty much only 2 steps but you can do whatever you want to your bass.

step 1. make a bass tone with subsonic, prefereably long.
if you want it to pulse or pre wobble run pitch over it with the ctrl 3 at 50% or run subsonic again to modulate the tone,

step 2, once you have you bass note the way you like it, run some right modulator on it with ctrl 1. hard left. ctrl 2 will control the wobble speed and ctrl 3 will bring in knob 2's modulation, I never though of using the ring modulator as an LFO. but it works good, but you can only slow down the wobble to what they let you, but if you are ninja quick on the knobs you can get good bass wobbles,


tip : after your first resample of your bass note, turn it down to 70 or 80 to preserve it, it is by default much to loud and when you resample it again it will distort, unless you want this to shape your sound, turn it down to keep it pure sine wave.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:15 am 
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hum will try this tomorrow.

I used to do a sub note, then run a tremolo over it, with not so profound depth.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:31 pm 
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For the best modulation, it is best to use a waveform rich in harmonics. Sine wave (such as subsonic bass) is very poor in harmonics. You can distort it to get more harmonics, but its still not the best. If you can find a way to sample in a triangle or square wave, it is better and very rich in harmonics. Not sure about the other units, but the SP-555 has a "wah" effect, which is basically a sine shape low pass filter sweep. So if sample in a square wav and put this effect on it, you are sitting pretty (oh yes you are). You can control the speed of the wah as well, which is pretty cool, since bass wobbles are more interesting with the speed changeups.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:31 pm 
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guys for sick wobble bass try.... (tested on 404sx)

-MSX15 noise generator knob 3.

resample the tone.

-MSX21 pitch

resample the notes you want to use

add MSX10 Wah for some nice wobbles.



Msx15 + Msx21 are a good combination period if you just want some synth notes to add to a beat.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:28 pm 
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one way to get the sine wave closer to a square is using a fuzz effect; fuzz in a way square's out a wave anyway to give it distortion....toned down its pretty cool.

not a substitute for a real sampled square, but an in-the-box solution to mess with.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:54 am 
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i noticed that lofi on a sine wave adds enough harmonics for the bass to wobble, sine bass wobbles are my favorite because they sound the best but take more effort to create, i also notice that morphing between shapes with radio tuner is good for bass wobbles.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:11 am 
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Heat Vision wrote:
Msx15 + Msx21 are a good combination period if you just want some synth notes to add to a beat.


this is fucken awesome man! thanks heat vision


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:52 am 
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A G E wrote:
Heat Vision wrote:
Msx15 + Msx21 are a good combination period if you just want some synth notes to add to a beat.


this is fucken awesome man! thanks heat vision


youre welcome a g e :D its definitely a fun little trick to use. Ive used it on quite a few beats of mine in the past.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:58 am 
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used that and shit is ill thanks alottt.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:13 pm 
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cool @ heatvision, I will definetly try this with the 404 OG. it shouldnt be any different than an SX. but im not shure.

Here is a nother method to create sine bass wobbles, this only uses amplitude modulation with a pure pulsing sine wav.

I used a program called nullsoft beep to generate the tone, you can grab it here.

http://1014.org/code/nullsoft/nbeep/

I recorded the pulse into cool edit with my sound card. all it does it pulse a sine wave and then randomly beep when your cpu is crunching. but if you minimize cool edit, it will just record the bass pulse, I guess its trying to emulate a 50s sci fi computer sound. anyway

figure 1 Illustrates a standard pulsed sine wave, this is great to relax to but is not very wobbly. So i ran the effect called pitch with the setting illustrated in figure 3. I ran the pitch effect twice. it keeps the pitch and speeds up the sample. this is the cleanest way I know of doing this.

figure 2 illustrates the speeded up sample.

bass sample 1 is the unchanged bass pulse

bass sample 2 is the bass sample speeded up to create a wobble effect.


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