i honestly don't care if you and some people you've met think anticon were brilliant.

i know plenty of people who think they weren't brilliant. there are also a lot of "traditional" hip-hop fans who don't like anticon SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THEIR NOTORIOUS FANS.

you saying it "changed hip-hop" is a ridiculous statement. in what way did anticon influence hip-hop? i'm not trying to attack you or sound aggressive but i believe you are merely stating your opinion as fact.

oh yeah i would like to re-iterate that i'm not really trying to sound aggressive, although it may come across like that. i just really dislike it when opinions and facts are mixed up. i hate disinformation and confusion and i believe that people being doing strictly opinionated is a huge part of that.

i would also like to add that i'm actually a real fan of a lot of the stuff that anticon did. but unfortunately i do have a personal vendetta against anybody who likes anticon and anybody who claims that they contributed anything of significant value to hip-hop value. that vendetta extends to myself btw.

im not a "notorious fan" haha. when i say they influenced hip hop i meant they influenced alot of people in hip hop like ive been saying. i hear stuff that reminds me of them all the time in hip hop and other genres.

postal service is one in another genre that sound just like new anticon. regardless ive never heard of people hating an honest form of hip hop just because of a so called notorious fan base. sounds silly to me. i love hip hop ive listened to it since i can remember. all forms of it. i feel i have a solid opinion on the matter, not a hateful one because i dont like their fan base haha.

i remember in anticon's battle rap days everyone wanted to rap/be like anticon as well as def jux. i remember everyone talking about anticon and def jux and that whole notorious battle. personally im a bigger fan of el-p back then. but i still loved anticon too.

look up some jel videos, or some battles of sole, sage or dose one. they are amazing at what they do they were not overrated. just like any artist it will have its haters i guess.

my facts are not mixed up with my opinions, its just that your opinion has no facts backing it. yours is built on a foundation of not liking what their fanbase trys to push and how you dont like their music persoanlly. i listed multiple albums that went big in the underground and are CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED. look up some videos and battles they have all won. if they have a following obviously they influenced quite a few people. thats all my point is.

im barely a fan by the way in the lighter sense of it all. i just like their music. i like neptunes too, and if you said they were overrated i would do the same thing. because millions would disagree as opposed to the 100 thousand anticon fans that would disagree with you now haha.

what are you talking about?

i said i liked their music. i'm an absolutely huge jel fan. i still don't think anything they've done has had a huge impact on hip-hop.

critically acclaimed? there are shit loads of albums released EVERY YEAR that are critically acclaimed. does that make them groundbreaking?

yes they are amazing at what they do. they make music. but they are not the saviors of hip-hop and they really haven't had that much of an impact on the overall sound of it.

i like anticon. but i hate their fans. the stereotypical anticon fan is the sort of person who believed that anticon were above other hip-hop labels. that anticon had this huge impact on hip-hop and that people who didn't like the music were simply too dumb to get it. this downright arrogant attitude is sickening. and it's seen in all areas of music. music elitists if you will. it just so happened that some forms of music attract those sort of fans. it is usually the type of music that tries too hard to be self-aware and too smart for it's own good. being weird just for the sake of being different, etc...

there is nothing wrong with that of course. but the problem is that sometimes people latch onto something that is different and automatically think it is superior.


i don't think anticon had much of an impact on hip-hop. they made some good music though.

you know sorry man. im sorry if im coming off like pushing you into agreeing with me. im not. im stating things i know and have read. its coming off as my opinion but there are things im talking about that have nothing to do with my opinion on there music ya know? dont mean to sound bitter either.

and yea besides sole and sage and shit things they would say in their lyrics were outright stupid. alot of the influence i think comes from jel and odd nosdam aka thier beats and shit. but sole did make an impact on alot of emcees i know.

i agree on the whole thing about people actin like others dont like it cause they are stupid and dont understand it. dose makes no sense. niether do people like aesop rock. i remember readin an interview on aesop talkin about how people give him to much credit on his ish. that its not that intelligent etc haha. same shit. anyways cheers im off.

yes sorry if i was coming off as overly aggressive. i've just been having some stressful days lately.

it's funny that you mention aesop rock. i'm a huge fan of aesop rock but one of my friends doesn't like him, but loves el-p. we were talking to some peeps one day and someone mentioned aesop rock and all of a sudden these jerks were acting all high and mighty like my man was too stupid to understand the music. like they were part of this elite club or something. a big thing with elitism is hating the mainstream simply because it is the mainstream and IMO that is retarded.

i guess part of the reason why i hate the "stereotypical condescending know-it-all anticon fan" is because i was like that myself for a long time. i would look down on people if they liked mainstream music. i thought the music i was into was so "deep" unlike the shallow crap they played on the radio.

eventually though i grew up and came to my senses and realised nobody in the real world cares about mainstream or underground. people who like good music just like good music. they don't care if it's number one in the charts or some rare gem.

so now i get a little pissed off when i see that sort of bullshit by music fans. we really should know better.

I just can't believe people are still talking about Sage and Anticon?...or still listening to it..that to me, blows my mind...it feels like it's 1999 again, where is hiphopinfinity.com when you need it?

LOL backpacker heaven.

cLOUDDEAD lives

yea clouddead is amazing haha. and yea i hink its hilarious when people act like they know somethin youdont in some one like aesops music. his shit makes no sense alot of the time straight up haha i love it. prolly does it so its funny when people read into it that hard. dose is the worse and edan does it do. i like it though it makes me laugh. hoesntly though someone who is like that that does acctually make sense in between it all is mf doom haha. never noticed it till i saw something with mos def explainin his ryhmes hahaha. but yea it doesnt matter what it is if its good its good. when i was younger i was the same way. but young people are stupid haha!

Yeah I hate underground elitism, hating music because its mainstream is retarded......

people need to get out of this mindframe that underground means good.....alot of shit artists get there break on indie lables, do one album on that lable that sells really well, then sign to a major.....

sometime its correct other times its horribly misguided

many groups/acts definitely watered themselves down when they reached a bigger audience so they didn't alienate their new cashflow. that much can not be disputed. but people take that and apply it to everyone, regardless of who they are and their personality, in the mainstream

but that doesn't mean popular=shit

i think andre 3000 has some of the wildest beats around mostly on stankonia... that album was so trippy for a rap album in the mainstream
but so many people hate on him cause hes mainstream.....well he got their for a damn good reason in my opinion.

on the flip side...
"Its not what you know, its who you know" is truly a terrible way to run a music business (or any art) because now with technology accounting for talent, the social aspect is more important your talent or sound.
let me say that again:
your social skills are more valued than your musical ability.
1.Image
2. Image
3. Social skills
4. message (it better be positive...can't have any downers about!!)
5. music
6. your actual personality.

who is AKON but a handsome dude who knew someone in the biz? no talent, no singing, no instrumentation because the beats are made for him (im assuming... maybe not though)

who is miley cyrus but a product of Nepotism because her dad was already in the business?

etc etc....

yeah man, 90% of the mainstream is shit..........but the 10% thats good shouldnt be ingnored.......

vote jay seagraves for congress!