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Author:  springwater [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:48 am ]
Post subject:  EQING/FREQUENCIES
any good tips on how to mix. like, i got my pads like tracks in a multirtack recorder, each with a loop for that track. but before i get to making patterns id like to eq things a little so it doesnt sound all muddy. im getting into the habit of using the isolator but i know there are prolly a dozen other things i could be doing. i read a bunch about mixing tracks and frequencies and im sort of trying to translate that into the use of the sp and all of its effects,
any help
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Author:  cartesia [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
isolator would be the main one, you can also use filters.. sometimes you can alter the pitch of a sample to shift the frequency range, but obviously you can only really do this with parts that dont need their pitch to be certain notes/etc...also I'm not sure if the SP's weird pitch function will be so useful for this

Actually thats a point, think about the frequency range before you put your tracks together - if you want a piano part to fit in some high frequencies, dont play low piano notes then try to eq them into a different range - you'll end up having to cut out alot of the harmonic content (you can use this as an effect to get weird hollow instruments of course)

So yeah.. plan out your frequency range before you start - sometimes with sampling it can be hard to completely plan though, cos you're stuck with what you find.
Author:  springwater [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
I see what you mean about being stuck with the samples properties. I guess ill have to play it by ear, I just don't trust my ears. :twisted:
Author:  hurlingdervish [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
since isolator has been covered

FILTERS!!!!
filters can do so much work!

555 has Lowpass(LP), highpass(HP), band pass(BP), and notch(NT)

lowpass your bass

highpass everything to a point thats not bass (cuts the lows)

if you want to make room for the kick notch a lower frequency on the bass and resample

replace Band Reject with Notch in the pic below
Image

memorize these images so you can imagine them taking that frequency out when you sweep the knobs on the 555

really between isolator and the filters, you don't need anything else.
Author:  fauna [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
and while thinking about the frequency spectrum, don't forget the spacial spectrum. if you can pan stuff hard left, medium left, dead centre, medium right, and hard right, you can create more space for each sound.

(i don't know what the 555 has for panning. the 404 has nothing, the 505 has limited options, but all have workarounds through resampling).

basically, for both EQ'ing and mixing, i like to create little pockets for each sound to fit into. sounds don't have to be completely alone in their pocket (and with reso, etc., some things can move THRU their pocket) but the idea works pretty well for me to be able to create room for each sound without being too muddy.
Author:  hurlingdervish [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
fauna wrote:
and while thinking about the frequency spectrum, don't forget the spacial spectrum. if you can pan stuff hard left, medium left, dead centre, medium right, and hard right, you can create more space for each sound.

(i don't know what the 555 has for panning. the 404 has nothing, the 505 has limited options, but all have workarounds through resampling).


yes panning is possible, but it lacks a simple pan effect, the pan is mixed with an overdrive when set 0 gain still slightly distorts the signal although its not always noticable, also you can do an autopan mode that sweeps between channels for movement.

panning is definitely essential for a good mix, though you will have to resample and layer panned parts so you don't eat up too many voices out of the 6 stereo 12 mono....

it should be said that the best way with ANY form of mixing, from jazz bands to hard techno, is to have the best source material you can get. it really makes the jigsaw puzzling of isolating frequencies easier if you have really good drum samples, and high quality samples either from records or synths or wherever...
Author:  springwater [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
Thanks guys, those pics I'll help me out alot. Cause I'm tired of making mediocre sounding beats. I'll try some things and get back to yins.
Oh yeah, one thing I've been running into is I'd have a sample that sounds good with it's highs and some of the low, but the highs are really way I'm after, but that little low is wat makes the sample sound good. When I cut the lows then it doesn't sound as cool. Or it sounds hollow and not full anymore. Like I kinda understand frequencies but I don't like losing the sound that I like, so I stay lost and with mud beats. Ill make a loop later and find out how to upload it(since I have yet to upload anything) and maybe thatigjt clarify things a little better.
Author:  hurlingdervish [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
springwater wrote:
Thanks guys, those pics I'll help me out alot. Cause I'm tired of making mediocre sounding beats. I'll try some things and get back to yins.
Oh yeah, one thing I've been running into is I'd have a sample that sounds good with it's highs and some of the low, but the highs are really way I'm after, but that little low is wat makes the sample sound good. When I cut the lows then it doesn't sound as cool. Or it sounds hollow and not full anymore.

you gotta lose that mentality

if it doesn't sound good in the mix then it doesn't sound good. It may sound dope when you play the sample back by itself, but then with everything else it sounds shitty...i frustrated with this for years!!! i would say oh why isn't this synth beefy, when there was ten other synths going at once... :roll: :lol:

you have to learn what is OK to sacrifice and whats OK to leave. its definitely something that takes a lot of experimenting but just remember that it does come down to sacrifice and focus.

And if you are afraid of losing something just make a copy of the sample in case it doesn't work out.
Author:  springwater [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
good advice, thanks. ill see what i can do
Author:  SpaceLion [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
the 555 has a 3 band EQ I don't use it much since I prefer the raw sound, but if you want more specific equalization opposed to the isolator I would go with that, it's surprisingly good considering how limiting 3 bands are..
Author:  MattCoops [ Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
I got a 10 band EQ hooked up to sampler. I run the samples through that til I get the right mix and record them to tape. Then i can sample back in to sequence.
Author:  SpaceLion [ Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: EQING/FREQUENCIES
well ay there you go!
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