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 Post subject: Re: Good news! aka the Look What I Just Got thread
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:26 pm 
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Cool, but to your ears, which sounds better?

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 Post subject: Re: Good news! aka the Look What I Just Got thread
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:04 am 
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I hear no difference between the two units. Neither one has great sound but you can get a lot out of their effects. The r24 can do more. That's why I enjoy it more. But I hear no actual difference. They are 24 has more effects. I believe they use the same chip.. but I don't know if you can take my word for it. To me the 303 and the 505 sound exactly the same. I have no problem using them interchangeably as far as sound boxes. But I have heard other people say that there is a definite difference that is quantitative qualitative. So you'll have to take my word for what it's worth.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:34 am 
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Can't comment on the R16 or R24 from an ownership point of view because I've owned neither. But my R8 hopefully arrives today which has exactly the same engine as the R24, so just say the word if there's anything technical you need to know.

Basically though there are three in the range:

- R8
- R16
- R24

The R8 and R24 are basically the same except the R24 has more simultaneous inputs. That's cool but it also means the price is almost double that of the R8, so deciding between those two is just a matter or deciding whether you are happy with being able to record up to 2 tracks at a time or whether you need more.

The R16 is the odd one out because it is nowhere near as capable as the R8 and R24. The R16 is a more basic machine. It benefits from more inputs than the R8, but it lacks the Drum Machine, Sequencer, Sampler and Resampler of the R8 and R24.

There is nothing on the market to touch the R8 and R24 and never has been since way back when the were released. They're so powerful that even those new Zoom and Tascam Mixer/Recorders are nowhere near as powerful as the R8 and R24, not even close, they're miles-off in terms of spec and capability.

I suppose this is why Zoom keep the R8 and R24 on the market all the time, cause like I said, there is nothing to touch them and I believe the Zoom R8 is the best selling Digital Multitrack of all time and I'm not surprised.

Soundwise the R8 and R24 are top-notch cause she's running 24-Bit ADC to 24-Bit DAC with an internal processing rate of 96KHz. You can even record in 24-Bit if you want, and all of this from gear that was released quite some time ago now.

Compare that to the spec of a modern Tascam (or even a modern Zoom) and you'll soon see where the quality is. Plus, the R8 is quite a sexy-looking bit of kit really, and compact while still being large enough to use comfortably. And you see it all the time in YouTube comments about the R8; people jumping out of their skin in disbelief when they realise it is capable of stuff they had no idea it was capable of, they be like ... HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!

If I were to tell you it can replace your drum machines AND your 404, would you believe me? But fact is it can (even if you would not use it for that), but that's how powerful the R8 and R24 is.

So read the manual deeply if you get one bruh, don't miss a single page!


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 Post subject: Re: Good news! aka the Look What I Just Got thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:46 pm 
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Duly noted! I’m not one to ditch gear to buy something else. But even if one device had a sampler/sequencer/drum machine in a digital multi track, I would never sell my SP’s & drum machines to fund it! But I could probably live with a R24 and be happy. R8 if I were forced to keep it simple. I never really record much tbh, simply because I haven’t gotten off my ass to do so. My RC505 is ok for loops, but it’s tricky to get them timed right before they just sound like a 5 year old being one sloppy producer. I’m sure that’s just me being hyper critical of my skills at keeping 5 loops in perfect time, but I guess it’s like telling a newbie jugular “ok, now juggle 5 items at once”. Without the practice, I’m just gonna goof it up.
But a R24 is no RC505, nor would it be! So just remains to be seen if I choose a analog tape multi track over a digital one. Knowing me, I’d get both, because I could do infinite overdubs in the R24 to just have a analog 4 track record. If the 505 is lucky it can play along. If not, it can stay on the shelf.

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 Post subject: Re: Good news! aka the Look What I Just Got thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:14 pm 
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Nooooooooo!!! ... just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting you sell your 404 bruh, lol, I was just trying to give you a solid idea of how powerful these devices are, cause it's clear from comments on YouTube that even a heck of a lot of people who own them really have no idea of what a crazy-powerful piece of kit it is.

I mean, take for example you just casually mentioned "looping", and although I never even bothered to mention looping among its abilities, turn to page 61 of the User Manual for the Zoom R8 and you'll be met with a diagram showing some rather nifty polyphonic/polymetric looping abilities, mixing both sequencer and waveform abilities in one, allowing on-grid and even 100% off-grid production techniques - pretty cool stuff!

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 Post subject: Re: Good news! aka the Look What I Just Got thread
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:25 am 
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So apparently there’s a R20, but it has a color touch screen. It loses features the R24 had, but with the touch screen less buttons are needed to navigate around in your tracks. Plus it sounded punchier in a comparison video.

https://youtu.be/2FkFBGq7Oiw

The R20 does have some bugs, but Zoom just dropped a 2.0 update. There’s supposed to be Bluetooth support for Ios, buuuuut, Zoom doesn’t have it ready yet! Maybe by the time I bought one that would be out. But can’t say.

I do like the fact the R20 has a built in FM synth, but you can’t alter the sounds. Zoom should do a update on that pronto in my book. But I’d probably just use my own synths regardless.

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 Post subject: Re: Good news! aka the Look What I Just Got thread
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:22 am 
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R8 and R24 shits all over the R20 bruh!

And no, the R20 does not sound better than the R8 or R24, certainly not on my cans it didn't. He claimed the R20 sounded clearer, but on my cans it was a mixed bag, sometimes the R24 sounded clearer, sometimes the R20 sounded clearer. And what was also obvious on my cans was that the R24 sounded fatter most of the time.

The R20 is a 'modern' device meaning it is designed by the corporates to pull you towards using a computer (and should therefore be avoided). Two major issues with the R20 that he didn't emphasise as much as he should have is that being a touch screen, the R20 loses the physical tactile enjoyment you get from the R8 and R24. Watching his own hand operate that screen you can even see his fingers shaking due to being hindered by trying to point his finger correctly.

Another major fuck-up with it is that you shouldn't need to connect to a computer to deal with the effects. There is no such bullshittery going on with the R8 and R24, they are fully tactile, fully editable on-board, and fully stand-alone.

No battery-power option either on the R20, so that's another downgrade!

And just to give you an idea of how hopelelss that touch screen actually is, it doesn't even serve well as a level meter display, because if you watch the levels, they are laggy, whereas on the R24 for example you have proper LED levels behind the glass.

Seriously, there's no comparison bruh, the R20 is just a dumbed-down 'modern' pile of shit compared to the R8 and R24, there's no real question as to which are the better devices - the R8 and R24 win hands-down.

And you know what's really funny about that video? It's the comment section. It's funny because he's comparing that hopeless new R20 to the R24, yet the first two comments I see in the comment section are to do with neither of them, they are both about the Zoom R8!!!

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Zoom R8 for the world, everyone should own a Zoom R8, it's the compact, fully-capable and fully-tactile powerhouse of a DAW in a truly fully-stand-alone box. It's also an absolute fucking bargain at £200, it really is!

I'm not saying the R20 is completely worthless, of course not, but the R8 is the only one in the range that Zoom chose to manufacture a diamond-cut "ZOOM" badge for. In fact I can see mine glisten as it catches the sun right now!

R8 is a sexy, sassy little bitch, I'm just sayin' :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Good news! aka the Look What I Just Got thread
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:24 pm 
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BTW, in case anyone is considering these devices, be aware that when Floyd mentions the "Rhythms and Drum Sounds", he unfortunately forgot to tell you the most important thing of all as far as drum machine functionality goes, which is as follows ...

On the R8 and R24, the rhythms are fully programmable (directly on the machine) and the drum sounds are fully customisable (directly on the machine) because you can program your own patterns and even swap-out the default drum kit sounds with your own samples and recordings.

You even have the ability to sequence them into songs 8)

Samples can behave like a 404, so they can be One-Shot, Gated or Looped. You have 8-voices of polyphony, their waveforms can be edited, perfomed and sequenced directly on the device. Then you can multi-track it all, resample, resample with affects etc. You can even pull samples or tracks used in one project and bring them into another cause the R8 and R24 does not discriminate between a "Sample" or a "Recording" or what you use it for, so you could use a sample where you'd use a recording or vice versa. You could even stick a long recording onto a pad and play it live from the drum pads if you wanted, or sequence it to be triggered, it literally doesn't care what you do, there are no silly limitations.

I'm never selling my R8, put it that way!


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