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 Post subject: Roland T8 J6 E4 just dropped!!!
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 1:46 am 
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So looks like Roland has dipped their foot in the Korg Volca market.

Roland T8 is a 7 channel drum machine with a TB303 tossed in for that extra special acid house in a box feel. You get a mix of 606/808/909 drum sounds, but it’s not a portable TR8S or TR8. No samples to swap. So if you needed say a 707 clap or a 808 cowbell, you’re probably outta luck. That being said, you can program 32 steps for each of the 7 channels. The unit can also sync up to Korg Volcas or Teenage Engineering Pocket Operators. A few fx are included, so you can make some descent Trap or Acid House beats with this.

The J6 is like a chord machine based on the Juno synths, and has 64 preset sounds. I don’t think you really get to make sounds from scratch, and you’re limited on editing them with only 4 knobs, but, you can do tons of chord variations & appregrios for your track, finding melodies that suit your style.

And last is the E4, a mini vocal effects processor for pitch correction, vocoding, harmonies, etc. It will play along your vocal if you use it with the J6 or T8, so you can get quick results very easily.

They’re all $200 each, which to me is a great price. The midi requires the dongles if you wanted to use it with a SP, and don’t know if those are included or purchased separately.

Now a few months ago I had my heart set on a used MC909, but I’m a bit meh on the T8. I already own a Behringer TD3 & RD6 and RD9. If I got it, it’d be just to complete the collection.

The J6 is very tempting for its chords alone. A bit disappointed you are stuck with 64 presets, but they probably sound great, and you can’t get everything for $200.

The E4 I’m somewhat interested in, but I don’t sing or rap. And then I’d need to get a mic for it. But it is cool what it can do.

Anyway, here’s a link from Roland…

https://www.roland.com/global/promos/aira_compact/

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 2:12 am 
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https://youtu.be/ypu8hLFJm8c

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 Post subject: Re: Roland T8 J6 E4 just dropped!!!
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 8:22 am 
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talking with a friend about them yesterday, we came up to a conclusion that they're tempting but maybe they lack of a mixer sync sort of thing that fit with them (who knows in the future), and that the volcas are however still cheaper than those.
other thing: with an mc-101, wich is almost the price of j6+t8 and got similar dimensions, you do lot of things more
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some months ago i've heard about behringer wants to jump in that market too

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 Post subject: Re: Roland T8 J6 E4 just dropped!!!
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 10:55 am 
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I think that’s why Roland was sneaky & released these first. But I’m sure these can work together with those when Behringer drops theirs. I think they’re slimmer than Volcas since they charge via USB C, so no wasting batteries if you buy these. So to take these out on a camp trip & jam for 4 hours. Possibly longer if you have a device to feed them juice. So Korg’s lacking this feature obviously.

I’m sure these will work with the SP404 mk2’s midi ports. So you could have the T8 do a 32 bar sequence, have the J6 do the chords, and then use the 404mk2 flesh out your ideas with more effects & chop loops from the devices. Very handy to bring with you anywhere you want to make music. I wouldn’t put it past Roland to make a mini SP to include with these 3.

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Thanks for the heads-up on these, although for me they're unfortunately far too basic, no deep editability whatsoever. They're nowhere near as good as Korg's Volca range, not in manufacture quality, nor in ability, and I'm not a fan of the planned-obsolescence built-in battery bullshit either.

I was very interested in the J-6 Chord Synth, I've wanted to see something like that for a while, but only Roland could release a device dedicated to chords, give it only 4-voice polyphony and no way whatsoever to create your own chords - so I have no interest in that either.

Holy Fuckeroni ... :roll:

I think Roland might be one of the mega corporations that have been targeted by the Chinese 'you know what'. I cannot think of any other reason that a corporation as big as Roland would continue to make such epically bad design decisions. I'm guessing Roland will soon be selling out to a Chinese company (probably Medeli). Sony are another example of a once great mega corporation who appear to have been targeted.

This might sound ridiulous to the casual on-looker, but honestly, I could produce better products than these working from my kitchen desktop. How many of you, for example, are aware that at least two of the best synthesizers on the market right now are powered by a "Rasperry Pi Compute Module"? And how many of you are aware that the manufacturer producing these synthesizers is one of the "Big Three"?

Well let me tell you that the company doing this is Korg, and those genuinely wonderful OPSIX and WAVESTATE synths are in fact powered by a Raspberry Pi Compute Module. That's right, opening-up either of those synths will reveal a Raspberry Pi Compute Module inside and I'm guessing it's powering the MODWAVE as well. The only engineering done by Korg is the physical design and the control surface board which is just basic electronics (button and encoder interfacing design), and the software - cool eh?

But what I'm getting at is that these large corporations are no longer in a position to play the lame, dumb-ass games they play, because every time they do so, people get pissed-off and start up new companies, these are companies which later down the line will be eating into the profits of the "Big Three" when those new companies bring their non-lame competing products to market - FACT!

The fact that Korg are using the "Raspberry Pi Compute Module" in their major synth releases, should signal to everyone that these corporations are are in very real danger of going the way of the Dodo if they do not change their attitude towards the consumer. This is because they, thanks to the Rasperry Pi Compute Module and products like it, no longer have the upper hand in the matter.

I could start developing a competing product right now and so could anyone else, and it is all thanks to products like the Raspberry Pi Compute Module, and Open Source electronics design software like KiCAD etc. My apologies for being a bit ranty, but what an absolute pile of hoplessly lame, over-priced garbage those new AIRA products are!

I wish I could say something nice for once, but how can I when they keep releasing completely fucking lame, hopeless garbage like that? Seriously, I wouldn't waste a penny on any of them, and I think the only people who might enjoy them are perhaps beginners who haven't a fucking clue!

BTW, there's a new Korg Volca FM which is well worth the money. It's actually got 6-voice polyphony now which makes it a proper DX7 synth module capable of playing chords (and even has MIDI in and MIDI OUT). Lovely stuff, that's more like it, and it just goes to demonstrate what I was talking about above, because I'm guessing the only reason they released it is because the Sonicware LIVEN FM has come along and will be eating into Korg's profits.

Here's three cheers for the 'Competition', also known as the 'Lame Product Killer'.
YAY ... YAY ... YAY

Right, now where did I put that Raspberry Pi Compute Module? :wink:


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