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 Post subject: The correct use of midi (how to)...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:22 pm 
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i've read some posts and the manual (horrible in this case) too, i'm trying to figure out the MIDI THING on sp606.
INT MODE
the sync: it works.
the transmission from pads: it works, but still isnt clear to me how to change scale and, for god sake, Pad Base Ch means midi channel or what?!? (roland guys you're amazing to make people become crazy)
SLAVE MODE
the sync: it works
the trasmission to pads: doesnt works; i cannot figure it out. how does it works?
OTHER
i've tried to send midi messages from the 606 to na external synth: it worked; what doesent worked was to send midi messages from Ableton live trough the 606 (soundcard) to the synth...i put the "soft trhu" on...does this works for you? (with a "normal" soundcard this is easy working...)
how to send midi messages from the recorded sequences on the 606 to external devices (software/hardware)?
WEIRD (and cool)
when i was tried all this midi s**t, i experienced with the fact that when i was playing 606 pads to an Ableton vsti connected via usb, i was sending midi messages to an extrnal synth via midi SIMULTANEOUSLY...so i had midi+usb at the same time...soonly i sampled the (cool) result...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:54 pm 
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i figured out the trasmission to pad and to external devices:
pad ch-1
pad tx-type1
effect-omni
sync source-midi (but usb works too)
sync mode-int (do it works on slave like this too?)
tx midi-on
soft thru-on
...so i played a sequencer on Ableton that drived a vsti wich midi out drived the sp606 wich drived the tx81z external synth...so vsti sound+sp606 sound+tx81z sound simultaneously..."you can do crazy samples with this method!" i thought...but when i tried to sample that i had only the sound of the vsti and not the one of the external synth:why?

anyway what is the trick to push INT+EXT buttons simultaneously?
what is the trick about the V-link for midi?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:52 am 
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ellaguru wrote:
hi
i've read some posts and the manual (horrible in this case) too, i'm trying to figure out the MIDI THING on sp606.
INT MODE
the sync: it works.
the transmission from pads: it works, but still isnt clear to me how to change scale and, for god sake, Pad Base Ch means midi channel or what?!? (roland guys you're amazing to make people become crazy)
...


http://sp-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4990 :

"""..............................................................the only thing you can change is in the midi menu of the sp606, look for type1-type2....this will change the behaviour of the transmitted notes according to which padbank you are using...in simple words
type2:padbanks 1-4 change the octave range,
type1 the notes are the same(fixed) regardless which padbank you are using...

don't bother for the pad base channel setting,it's only useful when you want to control sp with a midikeybord or other midipads... ...................."""


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:55 am 
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ellaguru wrote:
hi
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OTHER
i've tried to send midi messages from the 606 to na external synth: it worked; what doesent worked was to send midi messages from Ableton live trough the 606 (soundcard) to the synth...i put the "soft trhu" on...does this works for you? (with a "normal" soundcard this is easy working...)
how to send midi messages from the recorded sequences on the 606 to external devices (software/hardware)?
................................


You can't....one of the reasons i hate Roland (not 606!)


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:18 am 
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ellaguru wrote:
i figured out the trasmission to pad and to external devices:
1. pad ch-1
2. pad tx-type1
3. effect-omni
4. sync source-midi (but usb works too)
5. sync mode-int (do it works on slave like this too?)
6. tx midi-on
7 .soft thru-on


Ok!let's start:
1 this means that 606's midi notes are on channel one(16 is the last)...if the external synth or a vsti synth is on the same channel then 606 can be used for control them
2. I explained that :)
3. you can use rotary controls of the 606 to control another synth(you can configure let's say 2 synths to accept midi on diferent channels,so by changing in 606 the midi channel automatically you control the synth you want...but you have to set pad tx-type to 1 or 2 (can't remember)
4. you can "slave" the machine from midi in(external device midi out to 606 midi in) or usb(ableton,reason,fl ....)
5 choose midiclock is internal or slaved...choose slave if you want 606 to match automatically the master's bpm
6. tx= transmites the data(midi clock) in order to help another synth or ableton to follow 606's bpm
7. this helps 606 to pass any midi data coming from midi in (or the usb midi in)to midi/usb out..


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:29 am 
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ellaguru wrote:
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1 so i played a sequencer on Ableton that drived a vsti wich midi out drived the sp606 wich drived the tx81z external synth...so vsti sound+sp606 sound+tx81z sound simultaneously..."you can do crazy samples with this method!" i thought...but when i tried to sample that i had only the sound of the vsti and not the one of the external synth:why?

2 anyway what is the trick to push INT+EXT buttons simultaneously?
what is the trick about the V-link for midi?


1.try resample not sample

2.http://sp-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1606&start=0:

""To use sp606 as a control surface there is a BIG problem.Our machine transmit start stop messages ,only if there is a pattern loaded.
In EXTernal mode it transmits raw Sysex commands that only P606 understands them...
The only way to use the transport controls is to make a pattern in sp606 like this:select an empty pattern.press rec twice and then choose the beats and the Meas...record it just for a few seconds and hit stop.Now we have an empty pattern...
Press B O T H 'INT' and 'EXT' buttons of the 606 and the magic came...!Of course this works on every loaded-nonempty- pattern. ""

In simple words the trick to push INT+EXT buttons simultaneously is for using the transport controls...

V-link is just a quick way to use it for external control(something like a preset)

SORRY FOR THE SPELLING MISTAKES!!!!! :D


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:38 am 
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korakios thanx for you patience man!
don't worry at all about the spelling (take a little look at my language, so...)

korakios wrote:
ellaguru wrote:
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.....................................................
OTHER
how to send midi messages from the recorded sequences on the 606 to external devices (software/hardware)?
................................


You can't....one of the reasons i hate Roland (not 606!)


yes, this is very bad...the sp505 can do this...i don't understand...this means that i have to use other sequencers...

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ellaguru wrote:
..............
1 so i played a sequencer on Ableton that drived a vsti wich midi out drived the sp606 wich drived the tx81z external synth...so vsti sound+sp606 sound+tx81z sound simultaneously..."you can do crazy samples with this method!" i thought...but when i tried to sample that i had only the sound of the vsti and not the one of the external synth:why?

1.try resample not sample


i think i've tried resample, but the result was the same...anyway there are workarounds to that, i could always record the hardware on ableton and then mix the 2 synths (hard and soft) on it or sample the result on the 606 directly...

thanx again korakios!
i will post some result of all that soonly...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:11 pm 
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it should work...i don't get it...do you have the synth on 606 input's and pressed the input pad so you can hear it?it should be recorded....or at least you can add an audio channel on ableton and record it....oh ,i just remembered :
go to system menu on "4:USB Audio/MIDI" and check usb input output...
use with caution the "mix" setting (allows you to record the mix-whatever you hear from the output) but if you plan to record in ableton mute the armed channel or feedback will be on it's way!


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korakios wrote:
it should work...i don't get it...do you have the synth on 606 input's and pressed the input pad so you can hear it?it should be recorded....or at least you can add an audio channel on ableton and record it....oh ,i just remembered :
go to system menu on "4:USB Audio/MIDI" and check usb input output...
use with caution the "mix" setting (allows you to record the mix-whatever you hear from the output) but if you plan to record in ableton mute the armed channel or feedback will be on it's way!


thanks for this, i totally ignored this possibility.
ow i wll check things better.

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it's ok, with usb mix it works.

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ellaguru wrote:
it's ok, with usb mix it works.


nice!606 has some limitations(the features stripped from 505) but still is a powerful sampler with great effects....!


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