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 Post subject: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:48 pm 
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Cassette Recorders, 303 vinyl sim and compression
I see these 3 components play a big part in a lot of beats on here.
Thing is I don’t own a recorder and I rarely use those effects.
My question is, how does a recorder effect the sound of your production and is and is it something worth getting ?
Also, what’s the big deal about vinyl sim ?

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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:30 pm 
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Based on what i've learned, the Cassette Recorders are for wow and flutter. Because these tapes do not have head bump like reel to reel recorders do, they use compression to attain a similar effect. the vinyl sim emulation sounds so dirty and adds more lo-fi goodness to your sound

I haven't used these effects on my beats personally but I have somewhat of an understanding of how they work.

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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:45 pm 
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Ive got a Tascam 414mkii, which, most notably, you can record/multitrack four different mono tracks, or two stereo tracks on. and add/cut low end or high end EQ to those recordings(only during recording, not in post) you can fuck with the pitch wheel too which is fun(add some natural tape warbles to your sound). Something I have yet to do, but want to experiment with in the future, is using its FX send/return with my DAW and other external effects.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:08 pm 
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Kevinbc wrote:
Ive got a Tascam 414mkii, which, most notably, you can record/multitrack four different mono tracks, or two stereo tracks on. and add/cut low end or high end EQ to those recordings(only during recording, not in post) you can fuck with the pitch wheel too which is fun(add some natural tape warbles to your sound). Something I have yet to do, but want to experiment with in the future, is using its FX send/return with my DAW and other external effects.


I was considering a Tascam or a TEAC tape machine for the head bump at 15ips and natural tape compression but for me, its such a nuisance to record into it and bounce it back to the SP and then bounce it back to my laptop. Reel to Reel is expensive especially if you encounter issues with the belt (if its belt drive, direct drive like the AKAI series of Reel to Reel is good). I love what those old analog machines do to audio, but I use the plugin, Nebula to achieve the same audio goodness (albeit it would exactly be the same)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:27 am 
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SOUL CHOPPA wrote:
Cassette Recorders,

Also, what’s the big deal about vinyl sim ?


Recording onto tape creates warmth.if you're gonna use tape try to buy the best quality machine that you can afford when it comes to the recorder and use the freshest cassettes you can get your hands on is my advice.

Also 4 track recorders like the Tascam 424 etc have very nice parametric EQ's that really help to shape and boost the sounds you record through or into them.

Vinyl Sim on the 404 0G and 303 is, in a nutshell, the door to the church of the holy sonic filth ..it really is that simple in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:40 pm 
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SOUL CHOPPA wrote:
Also, what’s the big deal about vinyl sim ?

Do you have a 303?

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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:10 pm 
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Yep , it’s all I use. Rarely do I use the vinyl sim

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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:38 pm 
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SOUL CHOPPA wrote:
Yep , it’s all I use. Rarely do I use the vinyl sim


Eh,..Why not ???

So you actually own a SP 303 but don't use the Vinyl Sim ...

I don't understand !..

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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:25 am 
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Danswift wrote:
SOUL CHOPPA wrote:
Yep , it’s all I use. Rarely do I use the vinyl sim


Eh,..Why not ???

So you actually own a SP 303 but don't use the Vinyl Sim ...

I don't understand !..


What’s not to understand? Lol I use it every now and then but I dont feel it’s necessary to throw on every beat like a lot of people on here . I mean you can check out the beat tape I just posted , I got gritty beats but didn’t need too drown them out in vinyl sim

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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:32 am 
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Not only the sound is dope, but cassette is a GREAT media to record on.
Tapes are nearly indestructible. Plus there's so much capability to them.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:20 pm 
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flu game gotta be propper.


throw that extra grit on there.


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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:04 am 
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MattCoops wrote:
Not only the sound is dope, but cassette is a GREAT media to record on.
Tapes are nearly indestructible. Plus there's so much capability to them.


+1
As a matter of fact, there's a great video on YouTube about how much we
failed to recognise the sheer awesomeness of the cassette media

https://youtu.be/jVoSQP2yUYA

The thing, back in the 90' when we (at least I was) were collecting them (still own about 300 of those lol), most of the top notch quality cassette players/ recorders were ridiculously expensive, so not everyone got the chance to realise that said awesomeness.
Now's the time though - you can get most of those online cheap.

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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:53 pm 
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Good looks on the link, I might need to cop one soon actually as I plan on releasing a beat tape. With that being said , does anyone know of a nice tutorial of how to actually make a beat tape. ( how to get the covers made, and getting printing on the cassette?)

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 Post subject: Re: Cassette recorders
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:51 pm 
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thesisdrs wrote:
Based on what i've learned, the Cassette Recorders are for wow and flutter. Because these tapes do not have head bump like reel to reel recorders do, they use compression to attain a similar effect. the vinyl sim emulation sounds so dirty and adds more lo-fi goodness to your sound

I haven't used these effects on my beats personally but I have somewhat of an understanding of how they work.


cassette recorders are not for wow and flutter. at all.
people use them as an interface to record on to and bounce back into the machine. that's it. period.

if you're using it for an aesthetic, running your volume hot into the tape machine causes tape saturation, which mixes the sounds together slightly and gives it a nice warm sound.

there are many drawbacks to using a tape machine as a recording interface: tape hiss, limited frequency response (the high frequency sounds will be cut off and less audible), frequency intermodulation, etc.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:54 pm 
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thesisdrs wrote:
Kevinbc wrote:
Ive got a Tascam 414mkii, which, most notably, you can record/multitrack four different mono tracks, or two stereo tracks on. and add/cut low end or high end EQ to those recordings(only during recording, not in post) you can fuck with the pitch wheel too which is fun(add some natural tape warbles to your sound). Something I have yet to do, but want to experiment with in the future, is using its FX send/return with my DAW and other external effects.


I was considering a Tascam or a TEAC tape machine for the head bump at 15ips and natural tape compression but for me, its such a nuisance to record into it and bounce it back to the SP and then bounce it back to my laptop. Reel to Reel is expensive especially if you encounter issues with the belt (if its belt drive, direct drive like the AKAI series of Reel to Reel is good). I love what those old analog machines do to audio, but I use the plugin, Nebula to achieve the same audio goodness (albeit it would exactly be the same)



no digital plugin can emulate what an analog recording interface does. you are an idiot if you think it can. it is a physical impossibility. i'll try to link you to an article if i can find it.

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yeah i'm sorry i can't find the article i used to have saved in my bookmarks (my harddisk corrupted recently) but you should do some research on the difference between analog and digital recording mediums.

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