im having a real problem with my drums at the moment. they are always the last part of the song i do and whenever i get anything done it always sounds so generic.

im just basically looking for some tutorials (videos or written) that can maybe help me here.

thanks

Get Juxt to tell you what he does - he made huge kicks from nothing in the current battle, so he knows the secret.

I just hope you're from the east coast, or you wont understand

One secret I will tell is buy records with drum breaks on them and start chopping or even loop drums.

+1 for breaks on vinyl
i don't know about looping though...that's a bit uncreative
i couldn't feel proud of a beat i 'made' if there were pre-made loops in it

chopping breaks into slices is definitely the go
you retain the dynamics of the break, and can re-arrange to your heart's desire

Sample whatever. Mp3's are cheap and useful CD, VCR,, youtube, whatever... As for the patterns itself, study your favouriite artists and try to copy their style that way you'll get thhe feel of how to lay out a drum pattern and then you can evolve from theiir to your own style.
Just take some drum sounds and start making beats without any other samples, you will focus more on the drum programming and discover what works well and what doesn't. For me it always seem like less is more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKUi_NKn6I

This one helped me back in the days, when I first got my sp404.
Because it has no velo sens pads.

It's also a lot in the drum samples you use.

[quote="Drewzle"]+1 for breaks on vinyl
i don't know about looping though...that's a bit uncreative
i couldn't feel proud of a beat i 'made' if there were pre-made loops in it

How do you feel proud sampling at all then. Sell your sampler and buy all instruments then. All the old golden years of hip hop is all drum LOOPS, I dont care how good you are with a drum machine you can never get better drums than an actual person playing them.

why don't you chill?

He just stated his opinion, if you don't agree then just fuck it.

ha ha ha, thats funny. its rare that reading something off a computer make me laugh but that did it.

On the real, if you cant get good sounds to start with then start resampling and flippin your sounds and applyin them fx, do layering, and gating, and all that good stuff.

so many ways to go about it hotsauce! i find youtube to be pretty great for just watchin how dudes chop and build their beats.

i found some stuff somewhere of pete rock hackin stuff up and that kept me going for weex.

there are some books too - i got a couple awhile ago. generally they're either too smart (PhDs talkin about beats) or written so poorly (despite great ideas) you kinda have to muddle thru. do they help? sooooorta....

really tho, i think its a bit of all of this - talkin to people, this forum, watchin vids, reading stuff. i'm no beat master, but i know whatcha mean about things feeling generic and wanting to shake it up. try youtubing for 'beat making' or whatevs. that can show you how dudes are doing it.

this is a trick of mine. I will take some drums and sample the same drums to three different pads. one pad pan the sample hard left. pan one pad hard right, then one pad centered. Then resample those to one pad and you get really loud drums. try layering drum sounds over your other ones to make them more thick.

when i sample i twist something to make it new, flip it and try to reinvent it

using machines you can get different feel and grooves than someone playing; chopping breaks and rearranging creates patterns that would be hard to perform live

anyway dude, i was actually agreeing with your post and also qualifying it with my own opinion. seems you're a little sensitive
get better

thanks for all the help guys but im a bit lost.

not that im against it but i never use drum loops to make patterns. i always just sample straight hits. are you guys talking about sampling different parts of the loop (longer than straight hits but not the whole loop) and then rearranging them??

i have no problem for the sounds of my drums just getting patterns down. i mean it's always boom boom bap if you know what i mean.

Just split up each sound of the drums on the sampler and then play your own pattern. example; take a drum break from a record sample it. Then take the kick high hat snares etc... and put the sounds on their own pad and make your own patterns.

yup. or just the snare, kick, etc. then using them w/ pattern record and make yr own.