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 Post subject: Finding dope jazz samples
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:29 am 
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This is a question for the vinyl cats. What makes a dope jazz lp? like what characteristics usually signal that a jazz lp has some dope sounds on it? what years do you find your coolest jazz samples from? what kind of covers? Artists? subgenres? I can never find ill jazz but I do know the secret to finding the soul in the crates.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:35 am 
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Have you considered actually listening to jazz and developing an appreciation for it?

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NJ killz Niggaz wrote:
This is a question for the vinyl cats. What makes a dope jazz lp? like what characteristics usually signal that a jazz lp has some dope sounds on it? what years do you find your coolest jazz samples from? what kind of covers? Artists? subgenres? I can never find ill jazz but I do know the secret to finding the soul in the crates.

Jazz guitar and any thing with a Rhodes in it for me.
Also 60s and 70s are my fav decades.Any of the 40s shit and older is not gonna sound good imo.
Anything from bebop and beyond is good. check out Ken Burns Jazz for some perspective its like 20 hrs long or something but I would just start w/ the bebop episodes and go from there...tons of artists are mentioned.Then all you have to do is hit youtube and follow the rabbit hole on the side bar for similar artists.Take note of what sicks out to you and then hit up the record store.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:38 am 
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r4ph431 wrote:
Have you considered actually listening to jazz and developing an appreciation for it?

Everyones has to start somewhere,,,shit I'm coming form listening to black and death metal so I know it takes time to develop a taste for something different....its nice that your willing to be helpful tho ;)


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:41 am 
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also before i get shit i know ken burns Jazz was pretty weak as a whole but for a starting place for someone who knows very little about Jazz its a good ice breaker


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:15 am 
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r4ph431 wrote:
Have you considered actually listening to jazz and developing an appreciation for it?


I listen to jazz. I have a knowledge of jazz artists and jazz's development. i appreciate the music but when it comes to some of these crazy ass jazz samples i hear I have no idea where cats find those records. I listen to all kinds of jazz from louis armstrong to coltrane but none of it is really sampleable. And the records from obscure jazz cats I have seem to just be of a lower quality than cats like miles davis and sound corny. There don't seem to be as many hidden gems in jazz like there are in soul.

for example of the kinda sounds i'm looking for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z--xtIbjH60

everyone knows the eddie jeferson vocals but who is that guitar sample from? I've nevver heard a jazz song that sounds like that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:29 am 
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like I'm not some kid who doesn't listen to music and expects to find samples without any work. I understand the music. I listen to it. I'm black this music means something to me because of that. It's a part of who I am. I don't need to watch some ken burns documentary to gain perspective on jazz. I learned from my parents, who learned from their parents, who know cause they lived it. It's my heritage. I'm just wondering if there are any tricks to knowing which specific labels are known for having some obscure but quality recordings or if all of the hidden gems of jazz aren't actually buried on lps but are just chillin in the 45s section, as they often are for soul music. I've been digging for two years and have never found any dope jazz.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:20 am 
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SpWarlock wrote:
Jazz guitar and any thing with a Rhodes in it for me.

This^

Also, listen to Bossa Nova.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:37 am 
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NJ killz Niggaz wrote:
like I'm not some kid who doesn't listen to music and expects to find samples without any work. I understand the music. I listen to it. I'm black this music means something to me because of that. It's a part of who I am. I don't need to watch some ken burns documentary to gain perspective on jazz. I learned from my parents, who learned from their parents, who know cause they lived it. It's my heritage. I'm just wondering if there are any tricks to knowing which specific labels are known for having some obscure but quality recordings or if all of the hidden gems of jazz aren't actually buried on lps but are just chillin in the 45s section, as they often are for soul music. I've been digging for two years and have never found any dope jazz.

Just trying to be helpful man.Not trying to be a smart ass or anything Im just telling what i did when i got into jazz...but do you...like you said its your heritage...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:37 am 
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and no there aren't any tricks


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 Post subject: Re: Finding dope jazz samples
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:25 pm 
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The best thing to do bro is to make a short list of tracks you really like that use good samples that you like and then go to WhoSampled.com and listen to the tracks they sampled and how/where they did it.

It will open to your eyes to how they were thinking when they were doing it.

But take it with a pinch of salt....Its always good to have your own style. Otherwise whats the point ;-)

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You already know it, but here's the BLU sample:
https://youtu.be/l3NBWRyTcoA?t=5m25s

Vocal jazz was THE pop music of the day up until the late 1940's until it was displaced by rock n roll in the 50's. I think you'll find some gems in the 40's - late 50's period in the 'commercial' or vocal jazz genres... Lambert, Hendricks & Ross, Double Six of Paris, Lois Prima/Keely Smith, even Billie H. & Dinah Washington etc (these latter two for eg. recorded less with the big bands of the 40's and more with smaller ensembles into the 50's which imo make them more samplable..) <- probably as much to do with changing economics keeping a large band on tour as popular tastes changed as it was an artistic choice.

Bebop began with Monk and Dizzy in the late 40's, was at its highpoint through the 50's and reached it's ultimate best (imo) by about 1964 when (may his soul rest in peace) Eric Dolphy passed, well before his time. More chilled out stuff, Modern Jazz Quartet, west coast cool (Stan Getz, Chet Baker, Gerry Mulligan) might be more sample-cessible than the harder bop/early avant garde styles out of New York in the mid-to-late 50's, which led more to the directions Coltrane took ahead of the free jazz of the late 60's and labels like ESP disk and later Impulse through the early 70's.


The guitar sound you're looking for can probably be found as much in 50's pop singles/LP sections that aren't so rock/rockabilly influenced... rock 'n roll was popular among the teens but the stuff the parents listened to was still rooted in the jazz/orchestral moods from the 40's. Dudes like Les Paul or George van Eps were pretty pop for the day but more jazz influenced. Go earlier back and maybe Lonnie Johnson, though mainly a blues player was finding a balance between jazz-soloing and chord-work and the blues song-form.

Tal Farlow albums from the 50's are pretty clean, tho' more single-note solo's, taking the role like horn-players (monophonic)... this album has Joe Pass accompanying Ella Fitzgerald, where he is playing more chord-substitutions rather than single-notes...again, it's from the 50's, but closer to the style of the BLU track, kinda. See also Barney Kessel, Jim Hall, you know of Wes Montgomery and Grant Greene, I'm sure...

This all off the top of my head. Bottom-line though is maybe don't underrate the 50's... really was a transitional time

Hope this helps...

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Barney Kessel: 1954
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLSXYAYuCBE#

Dude really good at soloing/chording same time. Jim Hall also known for this.. getting closer mbe to the guitar sound you're digging for..?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:03 pm 
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l i f wrote:
Barney Kessel: 1954
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLSXYAYuCBE#

Dude really good at soloing/chording same time. Jim Hall also known for this.. getting closer mbe to the guitar sound you're digging for..?

^Dope samples right here ^ the one @ 4:50 tho :shock:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:11 am 
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furr surre. Thanks y'all. I'll check out some of that 50s mainstream jazz guitar and the artist you mentioned, lif. I bought a johnny smith album from the 50s today that I'm listening to. it's some 50s pop jazz guitar hopefully there's a something cool on it.

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