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 Post subject: 303 any advantages over the 404?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:09 am 
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hey there sp enthusiasts.
i only own a 404, but am intrigued definitely by the 303.

is there anything the 303 has the 404 doesn't? any little bonus things?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:55 pm 
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hi
i had both
the 303 got a warmer sound (and a better compression fx), better pads and better midi(no bugs). you have less fx than the 404. 303 dont save in .wav and use smartmedia...

the 404 got a better sequencer, in the sense of a all-in-line sequencer. cannot do that on the 303 (and you cannot see the measures scrowl when you play patterns on the 303). 404 got built in mic, the 303 no.
404 got battery power too, but if ou search on 303 tips and tricks ive found a trick to do a workin battery pack for the 303...
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Ellaguru's post is dead on, but I want to add that the 303 is a lot slower at certain things like deleting samples. It takes forever! Also, you can't delete more than one sample at a time like you can on the 404. One thing that I like about the 303 are the pads....they're softer and a little more responsive than 404 pads.


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Madmantis wrote:
Ellaguru's post is dead on, but I want to add that the 303 is a lot slower at certain things like deleting samples. It takes forever! Also, you can't delete more than one sample at a time like you can on the 404. One thing that I like about the 303 are the pads....they're softer and a little more responsive than 404 pads.


hi madmanstis!
yes, youre right, the 303 is very slow on deleting samples on a-b(internal memory) pads, less slow on c-d pads...
but if i remember well, there is a trick on the manual that makes you delete all the samples on a-b and also c-d pads in one take...
i agree 100% about what you feel about the 303 pads man!

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ellaguru wrote:
hi madmanstis!
yes, youre right, the 303 is very slow on deleting samples on a-b pads, less slow on c-d pads...
but you can delete all the samples together, therei s a trick on the manual...
i agree 100% about what you feel about the 303 pads man!

wow, I didn't know about the delete trick! I bought my 303 used and it didn't come with the manual. I guess I need to go download it now. thanks for the tip!


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hey - if you look around on youtube, there's a cat from these forums (i'm sorry, i cant remember who) who compares the quantize of the 404 versus the 303 and the 303 wins by a ridiculous margin.

the vid is hilarious. worth looking for, and something to consider.

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fauna wrote:
hey - if you look around on youtube, there's a cat from these forums (i'm sorry, i cant remember who) who compares the quantize of the 404 versus the 303 and the 303 wins by a ridiculous margin.

the vid is hilarious. worth looking for, and something to consider.

I think you're talking about this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjWmYcpa3i8


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Madmantis wrote:
I think you're talking about this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjWmYcpa3i8


wow that 303 quantize sounds awesomly supperior!

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Madmantis wrote:
fauna wrote:
hey - if you look around on youtube, there's a cat from these forums (i'm sorry, i cant remember who) who compares the quantize of the 404 versus the 303 and the 303 wins by a ridiculous margin.

the vid is hilarious. worth looking for, and something to consider.

I think you're talking about this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjWmYcpa3i8



ahaha, guys, this is my video...i made it about a year ago...sorry for the english ahah...

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ha ha! that's the one. ella, you fuggin rule!

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Good shit ella!!!

I think that Boss SPs were more better engineered than the Roland SPs, you can just feel the difference.

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Ill Green wrote:
Good shit ella!!!

I think that Boss SPs were more better engineered than the Roland SPs, you can just feel the difference.


ahah thanx!
yes i know what you mean, infact i use to make difference between Boss and Roland labels, at least for the 1997-2002 period...
someone (Nuemerik) explained to me that for the quantizing thing is due to the fact that the 303 goes only up to 16, so this make things more precise then 404 wich goes up to 32...
but for what concerns the pads, the 303 pads are way better than the 404 pads...

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For me a big difference is when editing a sample's loop length. On the 303, it will continue to loop when changing the end point. On the 404 it jumps back to the beginning of the loop. So on the 404 you have to listen to the entire sample after adjusting the end point. On the 303, after it loops, you can change the end point and it's already a bit closer to the end of the sample and you can keep changing the end point until it reaches it. Sounds minor but saves me so much time and frustration creating loops.


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megamaeng wrote:
For me a big difference is when editing a sample's loop length. On the 303, it will continue to loop when changing the end point. On the 404 it jumps back to the beginning of the loop. So on the 404 you have to listen to the entire sample after adjusting the end point. On the 303, after it loops, you can change the end point and it's already a bit closer to the end of the sample and you can keep changing the end point until it reaches it. Sounds minor but saves me so much time and frustration creating loops.

wow i didnt know the 404 worked like ^that, that indeed sounds kind of frustrating

ellaguru wrote:
the 404 got a better sequencer, in the sense of a all-in-line sequencer

yo i guess im the only 1 who thinks the 303 got the better sequencer. i dont like that ''having to wait to switch patterns on the 404'', on the 303 i can switch patterns in realtime WHENEVER the F i want! yeah its harder to switch seamlessly but its more freedom! imo


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I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but the reverse button is way better on the 303.


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